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<blockquote data-quote="Amor Fati" data-source="post: 88718" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>I’ve talked about the topic a number of times in the past but I guess I’ll elab on my overall view.</p><p></p><p>Nowadays I’ve more and more come to agree with [USER=347]@Depresso[/USER] stance that ‘incel’ is more a culture and identity, or at least it’s more accurate to refer to it that way when broaching the overall topic.</p><p></p><p>Proponents who advocate for using the strict definition of incel argue that the term itself is scientific and independent from any surrounding context but it doesn’t make sense to use it in that manner when there exists a community and culture which has sprung up around it, and people who actively adopt it as an identity and ingrain themselves in said culture.</p><p></p><p>It seems far-fetched to go along with the narrative that ‘inceldom’ is a plight affecting the common man, and the accompanying denouement of incel communities being the ‘light in the darkness’ for the bereaved individual.</p><p></p><p>While yes, male sexlessness and societal disadvantages exists, if we go by the textbook definition,</p><p></p><p>‘Incel A’, 31 years old, who is pursuing a doctorate in molecular biology, has a good relationship with his colleagues and strong family bonds, and regularly volunteers in events within his local community, but just so happens to be KHHV is the same as ‘Incel B’, 22 years old, KHHV, struggling to get by in college, regularly posts rants on incel forums, and thinks he is ‘enlightened’ for seeing the truth of the Blackpill that normies cannot.</p><p></p><p>There are hundreds of millions of ‘incels’ out there definitionally speaking, but incel communities only represent a small fraction of that number. When there exists a broader history, community and culture surrounding the context of that term, it</p><p>makes sense to be more narrow in specificity when using it in reference.</p><p></p><p>I’ve largely stopped engaging in those spheres, not because I’ve ‘ascended’ or anything, but because there’s not really any reason for me to continue identifying myself in that way or any value in participating in or adopting those cultural norms.</p><p></p><p>I think incel is a convenient identity to adopt, especially for young adults who’ve not had the most fortunate outcomes in life. I doubt being ‘incel’ is the largest problem in one’s life. If someone is wealthy, has a strong social support network, and is well-integrated into society, albeit being KHHV, I don’t think they’d be regular posters on incel forums, or even know what an incel is, for that matter.</p><p></p><p>Incels tend to face a myriad of other issues in their personal life. Not having a gf just seems to be the most salient effect of having troubled personal circumstances. Incel is an attractive and all-encompassing label to identify yourself as a victim of struggle in life.</p><p></p><p>I’m at a state in my own personal life where I no longer need to express grievances about various aspects of my life because my situation and prospects has improved greatly since then.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Amor Fati, post: 88718, member: 1"] I’ve talked about the topic a number of times in the past but I guess I’ll elab on my overall view. Nowadays I’ve more and more come to agree with [USER=347]@Depresso[/USER] stance that ‘incel’ is more a culture and identity, or at least it’s more accurate to refer to it that way when broaching the overall topic. Proponents who advocate for using the strict definition of incel argue that the term itself is scientific and independent from any surrounding context but it doesn’t make sense to use it in that manner when there exists a community and culture which has sprung up around it, and people who actively adopt it as an identity and ingrain themselves in said culture. It seems far-fetched to go along with the narrative that ‘inceldom’ is a plight affecting the common man, and the accompanying denouement of incel communities being the ‘light in the darkness’ for the bereaved individual. While yes, male sexlessness and societal disadvantages exists, if we go by the textbook definition, ‘Incel A’, 31 years old, who is pursuing a doctorate in molecular biology, has a good relationship with his colleagues and strong family bonds, and regularly volunteers in events within his local community, but just so happens to be KHHV is the same as ‘Incel B’, 22 years old, KHHV, struggling to get by in college, regularly posts rants on incel forums, and thinks he is ‘enlightened’ for seeing the truth of the Blackpill that normies cannot. There are hundreds of millions of ‘incels’ out there definitionally speaking, but incel communities only represent a small fraction of that number. When there exists a broader history, community and culture surrounding the context of that term, it makes sense to be more narrow in specificity when using it in reference. I’ve largely stopped engaging in those spheres, not because I’ve ‘ascended’ or anything, but because there’s not really any reason for me to continue identifying myself in that way or any value in participating in or adopting those cultural norms. I think incel is a convenient identity to adopt, especially for young adults who’ve not had the most fortunate outcomes in life. I doubt being ‘incel’ is the largest problem in one’s life. If someone is wealthy, has a strong social support network, and is well-integrated into society, albeit being KHHV, I don’t think they’d be regular posters on incel forums, or even know what an incel is, for that matter. Incels tend to face a myriad of other issues in their personal life. Not having a gf just seems to be the most salient effect of having troubled personal circumstances. Incel is an attractive and all-encompassing label to identify yourself as a victim of struggle in life. I’m at a state in my own personal life where I no longer need to express grievances about various aspects of my life because my situation and prospects has improved greatly since then. [/QUOTE]
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