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Spirituality @GGWP is a mirror of myself.

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I don't know anything about him, but I do know something about myself thanks to him. Reading his posts made me feel hate and resentment, but deep down this reflects a reality of my psyche.


My tendency to intellectualize everything. To not connect with my emotions and the present moment completely, always getting lost in the words, and not in the experience. Of demanding rationality from the irrational.
 
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To not connect with my emotions and the present moment completely, always getting lost in the words, and not in the experience. Of demanding rationality from the irrational.
You most likely have greater COMT, VMAT2 or 5-HTTLPR expression than I do.
We differ in strategy...
 
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I don't know anything about him, but I do know something about myself thanks to him. Reading his posts made me feel hate and resentment, but deep down this reflects a reality of my psyche.


My tendency to intellectualize everything. To not connect with my emotions and the present moment completely, always getting lost in the words, and not in the experience. Of demanding rationality from the irrational.
I think the way you supplement your ego is to embrace spirituality, therefore negating any harsh truths by placing yourself spiritually above them. My method of dealing with my ego and harsh truths is to frame them through biologically determined metaheuristics instead of real threats to my being, we are both engaging in moral relativism in order to surpass our past traumas, but yours has a spiritual element whereas I pursue rigid materialism because I'm disenchanted and can't imagine a spiritual element in my life. This is where we deviate in our subjective interpretation of events.

My view is that people with different genetic quirks can comprehend different truths and that interpretation of 'truth' is subjective and based on the cognitive architecture of an individual, so there's nothing to say that my realism/materialism is more 'real' than your spirituality, they are a different interpretation of the same natural phenomena using different language. I'm a big fan of Taoism which is all about how the observer and subject can't be separated.

I think this has some consequences for science in general which masquerades as objective truth in the absence of the very concept(!). Really it should be called local engineering principles because science is almost always used teleologically, that is, to make things, or to 'understand' something which is not objective at all and very homo sapien. Both religion and science condition the soul in different ways; are subjectively human (teleological). Whereas religion engineers self-actualization through spiritual understanding, scientific rationalism engineers it through a projection of empirical certainty.

I do touch upon it in my thread here:
That really my way of breaking things down into scientific rationalism is flawed, it's an aesthetic strategy that is not necessarily more 'valid' than religion, but people dogmatically believe in the science because it 'bears fruits'. I point out that there is a bit of hypocrisy here because science is just as much cognitively biased to the rigid lawmaking of certain genotypes as religiosity is to other genotypical expressions (namely COMT, VMAT2 or 5-HTTLPR), and therefore the scientific aesthetic represents the reign of ideas from a certain genetic caste rather than the 'truth' it masquerades as. The nomenclature/spread of scientific rationalism has implications for how the doctrine shapes understanding and culture, which is why this argument is so relevant.

TLDR; I think your approach and ideas are just as valid as mine, we are interpreting the same events differently. I do really like spirituality like Taoism, so don't be dissuaded by my walls of text.
 
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I think the way you supplement your ego is to embrace spirituality, therefore negating any harsh truths by placing yourself spiritually above them.
To negate harsh truths? I don't know. It seems for me that this is all just a process of psychological unravelling that frees from mental suffering, but there is no negation of harsh truths, but a different way of relating to them. I have recognized painful things related to the possiblity of never having a partner, but the thing is that it is all about relationship to these facts. Specially, when you know that there is no center of consciousness in the brain or no central self, so it is all a macinery of different psychological manifestations each with its own motives and difficulties.

It is obviously initiated by ego, as it is an attempt at self-preservation, but it works!
My method of dealing with my ego and harsh truths is to frame them through biologically determined metaheuristics instead of real threats to my being, we are both engaging in moral relativism in order to surpass our past traumas, but yours has a spiritual element whereas I pursue rigid materialism because I'm disenchanted and can't imagine a spiritual element in my life. This is where we deviate in our subjective interpretation of events.
I see no difference between you and me really. This is everything that I've been doing all the time: to "surpass" biological conditioning to not allow my body-mind system to not get into a depressed state just because it cannot fix into the arbitrary standards imposed by nature. To make aware the manifestations of this present conditioning seems to be very similar for me as "to frame them through biologically determined metaheuristics instead of real threats to my being".

I've been doing all of this without involvement of metaphysical things. Honestly, non-duality doesn't require it, and neuroscience validates it too. So that's good. Plus, I'm a big fan of philosophical pessimism, so I understand the disechanment too!
TLDR; I think your approach and ideas are just as valid as mine, we are interpreting the same events differently. I do really like spirituality like Taoism, so don't be dissuaded by my walls of text.
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I think the way you supplement your ego is to embrace spirituality, therefore negating any harsh truths by placing yourself spiritually above them. My method of dealing with my ego and harsh truths is to frame them through biologically determined metaheuristics instead of real threats to my being, we are both engaging in moral relativism in order to surpass our past traumas, but yours has a spiritual element whereas I pursue rigid materialism because I'm disenchanted and can't imagine a spiritual element in my life. This is where we deviate in our subjective interpretation of events.

My view is that people with different genetic quirks can comprehend different truths and that interpretation of 'truth' is subjective and based on the cognitive architecture of an individual, so there's nothing to say that my realism/materialism is more 'real' than your spirituality, they are a different interpretation of the same natural phenomena using different language. I'm a big fan of Taoism which is all about how the observer and subject can't be separated.

I think this has some consequences for science in general which masquerades as objective truth in the absence of the very concept(!). Really it should be called local engineering principles because science is almost always used teleologically, that is, to make things, or to 'understand' something which is not objective at all and very homo sapien. Both religion and science condition the soul in different ways; are subjectively human (teleological). Whereas religion engineers self-actualization through spiritual understanding, scientific rationalism engineers it through a projection of empirical certainty.

I do touch upon it in my thread here:
That really my way of breaking things down into scientific rationalism is flawed, it's an aesthetic strategy that is not necessarily more 'valid' than religion, but people dogmatically believe in the science because it 'bears fruits'. I point out that there is a bit of hypocrisy here because science is just as much cognitively biased to the rigid lawmaking of certain genotypes as religiosity is to other genotypical expressions (namely COMT, VMAT2 or 5-HTTLPR), and therefore the scientific aesthetic represents the reign of ideas from a certain genetic caste rather than the 'truth' it masquerades as. The nomenclature/spread of scientific rationalism has implications for how the doctrine shapes understanding and culture, which is why this argument is so relevant.

TLDR; I think your approach and ideas are just as valid as mine, we are interpreting the same events differently. I do really like spirituality like Taoism, so don't be dissuaded by my walls of text.
Coming back to what you wrote here, reflecting about it, and contemplating the realities of biological determinism... it all becomes very weird you know? I think that the biological and the psychological frameworks are very important in regards to this: "we are both engaging in moral relativism in order to surpass our past traumas, but yours has a spiritual element whereas I pursue rigid materialism because I'm disenchanted and can't imagine a spiritual element in my life."

It really leaves me thinking: what are humans really looking for?

There is thing that happened in my life and it can be analyzed through both of these frameworks. I developed feelings for some girl, and I couldn't get with her. From the biological point of view the animal in me became crazy and it all goes back to "I can't breed", but at the same time, if you evaluate this from the psychological point of view, you realize that there were certain heavy ass mommy issues projections that I made onto her, and that specifically contributted to making that attraction more intense.

I wrote something about the "uselessness" of consciousness once:

I couldn't agree more with Ligotti on this section of his "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race":

"Trying for this understanding is the most trying thing of all. Yet trying not to try for it is just as trying. There is nothing more futile than to consciously look for something to save you. But consciousness makes this fact seem otherwise. Consciousness makes it seem as if (1) there is something to do; (2) there is somewhere to go; (3) there is something to be; (4) there is someone to know. This is what makes consciousness the parent of all horrors, the thing that makes us try to do something, go somewhere, be something, and know someone, such as ourselves, so that we can escape our MALIGNANTLY USELESS being and think that being alive is all right rather than that which should not be.โ€

In the end, consciousness, to my mind, has only complicated life. I'd argue fiercely against those who laud it as a marvel. The very fact that it seems to be a mechanism designed to "fix" the very messes it caused is ample reason to label it malignantly useless, as Ligotti would put it. Its advent sparks an internal psychological tension, spawning a set of fabricated needs that each conscious being convinces itself are vitalโ€”like the desperate search for meaning or purpose.

People might meditate or perform all sorts of intellectual acrobatics, even therapy, to shed years of social and religious conditioning. Their goal: to finally see their instincts for what they are, including the "instinct" for meaning and purpose. Only then do they realize there was never anything to look for at all... The sheer irony: attempting to fix the blunders of consciousness using consciousness itself.

I agree that at the end of the day, everything rests on an inevitable biological background, but this faculty called "consciousness" makes things a little bit more complicated than that sometimes, but at the psychological level.
 
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My tendency to intellectualize everything. To not connect with my emotions and the present moment completely, always getting lost in the words, and not in the experience. Of demanding rationality from the irrational.
Not to cut in here, but this sounds like me almost to a T.
 
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