Discussion How do you find something of interest?

[Rikoel]

From what I gathered, I see a big talking point of whitepill is to maximize enjoyment in life. This can be a through many outlets, but mainly by activities. But my issue comes from not having any activity that instinctively interests me. There is always some underlying motive behind it. Be it social networking, impressing someone or improving one's standing on the dating market. Where by further analysis, everything always converges to the latter one.

I hardly can see any long-term meaningful fulfillment in indulging to any of these activities. My biology will always dictate my actions towards reproduction, be it disguised in these copes. By knowing the blackpill those will have negligible effect on that goal.

This has further lowered my motivation and interest in anything I do. Yet, I still go to the gym, take random walks, play online chess, and read random stuff on the internet. But these given activities never fulfill me, and I believe they ultimately can't.

I'm also a student(math), which I only picked as my parents have a strong mathematical background, masters and PhD. And one of my only friend is really interested in this topic. I was hoping to start at the same place as him, but sadly he didn't score high enough on the entrance exams and went to a different uni. Which left me here, where I currently reside.

Sadly I despise this field, as I see it nothing as a meaningless cope. I only study enough to pass exams, thus my grades are not great. I lack the motivation and believe I will never see anything beautiful in it, what for example my friend and other students "might" see.

Given my lack of enjoyment in these activities you might concur I'm depressed and need help, but weirdly enough this isn't the case. My baseline dopamine is mediocre and I don't feel sad. But I don't feel fulfilled. That is the core problem of my life currently, and I have no idea on how to overcome this.

Maybe I'm simplistic. Maybe I'm too narrowly focused on this biological framework. I'm not sure.

Have you guys found stuff that truly interests you? Does it really make life fulfilling? Or are we just intellectualizing our suffering, reframing it into yet a another hierarchy to conquer.

 

[twojei]

From what I gathered, I see a big talking point of whitepill is to maximize enjoyment in life. This can be a through many outlets, but mainly by activities. But my issue comes from not having any activity that instinctively interests me. There is always some underlying motive behind it. Be it social networking, impressing someone or improving one's standing on the dating market. Where by further analysis, everything always converges to the latter one.

I hardly can see any long-term meaningful fulfillment in indulging to any of these activities. My biology will always dictate my actions towards reproduction, be it disguised in these copes. By knowing the blackpill those will have negligible effect on that goal.

This has further lowered my motivation and interest in anything I do. Yet, I still go to the gym, take random walks, play online chess, and read random stuff on the internet. But these given activities never fulfill me, and I believe they ultimately can't.

I'm also a student(math), which I only picked as my parents have a strong mathematical background, masters and PhD. And one of my only friend is really interested in this topic. I was hoping to start at the same place as him, but sadly he didn't score high enough on the entrance exams and went to a different uni. Which left me here, where I currently reside.

Sadly I despise this field, as I see it nothing as a meaningless cope. I only study enough to pass exams, thus my grades are not great. I lack the motivation and believe I will never see anything beautiful in it, what for example my friend and other students "might" see.

Given my lack of enjoyment in these activities you might concur I'm depressed and need help, but weirdly enough this isn't the case. My baseline dopamine is mediocre and I don't feel sad. But I don't feel fulfilled. That is the core problem of my life currently, and I have no idea on how to overcome this.

Maybe I'm simplistic. Maybe I'm too narrowly focused on this biological framework. I'm not sure.

Have you guys found stuff that truly interests you? Does it really make life fulfilling? Or are we just intellectualizing our suffering, reframing it into yet a another hierarchy to conquer.

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I didn't know about the deep emotional world hidden within me, and all the things that were concealed under so many pretexts. As a man, I often wished I were a woman, thinking that only women were allowed to feel intensely. Many times, while consuming weed, the judgmental thought would come...

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[Tabula Rasa]

From what I gathered, I see a big talking point of whitepill is to maximize enjoyment in life. This can be a through many outlets, but mainly by activities. But my issue comes from not having any activity that instinctively interests me. There is always some underlying motive behind it. Be it social networking, impressing someone or improving one's standing on the dating market. Where by further analysis, everything always converges to the latter one.

I hardly can see any long-term meaningful fulfillment in indulging to any of these activities. My biology will always dictate my actions towards reproduction, be it disguised in these copes. By knowing the blackpill those will have negligible effect on that goal.

This has further lowered my motivation and interest in anything I do. Yet, I still go to the gym, take random walks, play online chess, and read random stuff on the internet. But these given activities never fulfill me, and I believe they ultimately can't.

I'm also a student(math), which I only picked as my parents have a strong mathematical background, masters and PhD. And one of my only friend is really interested in this topic. I was hoping to start at the same place as him, but sadly he didn't score high enough on the entrance exams and went to a different uni. Which left me here, where I currently reside.

Sadly I despise this field, as I see it nothing as a meaningless cope. I only study enough to pass exams, thus my grades are not great. I lack the motivation and believe I will never see anything beautiful in it, what for example my friend and other students "might" see.

Given my lack of enjoyment in these activities you might concur I'm depressed and need help, but weirdly enough this isn't the case. My baseline dopamine is mediocre and I don't feel sad. But I don't feel fulfilled. That is the core problem of my life currently, and I have no idea on how to overcome this.

Maybe I'm simplistic. Maybe I'm too narrowly focused on this biological framework. I'm not sure.

Have you guys found stuff that truly interests you? Does it really make life fulfilling? Or are we just intellectualizing our suffering, reframing it into yet a another hierarchy to conquer.

The Whitepill is not just finding an activity to occupy yourself with although that is one facet of it. Broadly speaking, the main ethos of the Whitepill is to be pragmatic and analytical in evaluating one's life holistically, and how an individual should proceed going forth in light of their own personal circumstances.

It's about making optimal changes and improvements to your lifestyle which result in positive life outcomes for your situation.

While doing activities you enjoy are one aspect of the Whitepill, the Whitepill also encompasses other things like changing your daily routine, improving the environment around you and keeping your mental state well-managed.

As for your question, I recommend working on your own projects or learning new skills, which can be very personally fulfilling.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Maybe I'm too narrowly focused on this biological framework. I'm not sure.

I've written a thread before about my views surrounding this. Maybe you'll find the perspective interesting.

Discussion - On Anti-natalism, Biological Dependencies, Celibacy.

While I'm not an ardent Anti-natalist, it's a position that I have moved strongly towards in recent years. The notion of an individual desiring not to have children does have some merit, and it's an idea that some of you may resonate with depending on your own experiences. The sexual impulse is...

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[クーロ]

I never found anything that fulfilling. I just kept going with my "copes" until they became an innate part of what I find enjoyable. For something to be fulfilling to me it only needs to keep me at a baseline dopamine level long enough and they tend to work for the most part. Having zero fulfillment in most things doesn't necessarily bother me because it means I'm always on a new path. Always looking for new gratifications from everywhere I can find which is both good and bad. I'm not particularly adept at any specific field, nor do I spend enough time with any of them to be considered experienced, but who cares? It's fun and I have no obligation to anyone but myself. As long as these experiences are personal and don't affect my behaviour towards others it doesn't matter how genuine I am towards them. All behaviour in life is a matter of LARP. A genuinely passionate person would commit suicide in most cases

 

[Rikoel]

I never found anything that fulfilling. I just kept going with my "copes" until they became an innate part of what I find enjoyable. For something to be fulfilling to me it only needs to keep me at a baseline dopamine level long enough and they tend to work for the most part. Having zero fulfillment in most things doesn't necessarily bother me because it means I'm always on a new path. Always looking for new gratifications from everywhere I can find which is both good and bad. I'm not particularly adept at any specific field, nor do I spend enough time with any of them to be considered experienced, but who cares? It's fun and I have no obligation to anyone but myself. As long as these experiences are personal and don't affect my behaviour towards others it doesn't matter how genuine I am towards them. All behaviour in life is a matter of LARP. A genuinely passionate person would commit suicide in most cases

I used to be depressed and saw nothing to strive for, this was until I got to my first relationship few years back. That really opened my eyes, as I got to experience a whole new world, I was truly fulfilled. It was something I always wanted. But this came to an end a bit over year ago, and essentially I see the world way differently than I used to. I now know what fulfillment feels like, it's something very real and attainable. But I can't seem to find it in any other source than this. Or I have never felt it before. Currently I'm at peace of my situation, but there is this hollow feeling underneath it all.

 

[クーロ]

I used to be depressed and saw nothing to strive for, this was until I got to my first relationship few years back. That really opened my eyes, as I got to experience a whole new world, I was truly fulfilled. It was something I always wanted. But this came to an end a bit over year ago, and essentially I see the world way differently than I used to. I now know what fulfillment feels like, it's something very real and attainable. But I can't seem to find it in any other source than this. Or I have never felt it before. Currently I'm at peace of my situation, but there is this hollow feeling underneath it all.

Once you experience something intense you spend the rest of your life trying to replicate it but that will never happen. Even if you experience another relationship it'll most likely feel less intense/engaging than your first one. I think it's best to completely remove that experience from your mind before looking for any new type of gratification because you'll end up with a subconscious inclination to comparisons. It only feels less fulfilling because you're comparing it to something that was once attainable but no longer is. Your first bite of a sandwich is always more flavourful than the last one and that is natural, expecting each bite to give the same level of flavour is where frustration begins. Just let go bro

 

[クーロ]

rather read Vajrayana and Theravada Buddhism. The Chinese cannon spends a lot of time discussing the nature of the universe and the connection of desire to it. It's a much better philosophy than whatever you'd find from an online forum. Ray Peat also made some comments about how desire itself isn't bad but that attainment of it. You can find the different cannons online but they're very long. Some 10k+ pages. Just pick the parts that sound most appealing

 

[LOOKISM-LOGIC]

From what I gathered, I see a big talking point of whitepill is to maximize enjoyment in life. This can be a through many outlets, but mainly by activities. But my issue comes from not having any activity that instinctively interests me. There is always some underlying motive behind it. Be it social networking, impressing someone or improving one's standing on the dating market. Where by further analysis, everything always converges to the latter one.

I hardly can see any long-term meaningful fulfillment in indulging to any of these activities. My biology will always dictate my actions towards reproduction, be it disguised in these copes. By knowing the blackpill those will have negligible effect on that goal.

This has further lowered my motivation and interest in anything I do. Yet, I still go to the gym, take random walks, play online chess, and read random stuff on the internet. But these given activities never fulfill me, and I believe they ultimately can't.

I'm also a student(math), which I only picked as my parents have a strong mathematical background, masters and PhD. And one of my only friend is really interested in this topic. I was hoping to start at the same place as him, but sadly he didn't score high enough on the entrance exams and went to a different uni. Which left me here, where I currently reside.

Sadly I despise this field, as I see it nothing as a meaningless cope. I only study enough to pass exams, thus my grades are not great. I lack the motivation and believe I will never see anything beautiful in it, what for example my friend and other students "might" see.

Given my lack of enjoyment in these activities you might concur I'm depressed and need help, but weirdly enough this isn't the case. My baseline dopamine is mediocre and I don't feel sad. But I don't feel fulfilled. That is the core problem of my life currently, and I have no idea on how to overcome this.

Maybe I'm simplistic. Maybe I'm too narrowly focused on this biological framework. I'm not sure.

Have you guys found stuff that truly interests you? Does it really make life fulfilling? Or are we just intellectualizing our suffering, reframing it into yet a another hierarchy to conquer.

Something falls from the sky and occupies you and blessing of such a nature occur, if not just lie down, ideally in some natural space and wait..

Nothing ever happens pill is brutal.

 

[Myst]

From what I gathered, I see a big talking point of whitepill is to maximize enjoyment in life. This can be a through many outlets, but mainly by activities. But my issue comes from not having any activity that instinctively interests me. There is always some underlying motive behind it. Be it social networking, impressing someone or improving one's standing on the dating market. Where by further analysis, everything always converges to the latter one.

I hardly can see any long-term meaningful fulfillment in indulging to any of these activities. My biology will always dictate my actions towards reproduction, be it disguised in these copes. By knowing the blackpill those will have negligible effect on that goal.

This has further lowered my motivation and interest in anything I do. Yet, I still go to the gym, take random walks, play online chess, and read random stuff on the internet. But these given activities never fulfill me, and I believe they ultimately can't.

I'm also a student(math), which I only picked as my parents have a strong mathematical background, masters and PhD. And one of my only friend is really interested in this topic. I was hoping to start at the same place as him, but sadly he didn't score high enough on the entrance exams and went to a different uni. Which left me here, where I currently reside.

Sadly I despise this field, as I see it nothing as a meaningless cope. I only study enough to pass exams, thus my grades are not great. I lack the motivation and believe I will never see anything beautiful in it, what for example my friend and other students "might" see.

Given my lack of enjoyment in these activities you might concur I'm depressed and need help, but weirdly enough this isn't the case. My baseline dopamine is mediocre and I don't feel sad. But I don't feel fulfilled. That is the core problem of my life currently, and I have no idea on how to overcome this.

Maybe I'm simplistic. Maybe I'm too narrowly focused on this biological framework. I'm not sure.

Have you guys found stuff that truly interests you? Does it really make life fulfilling? Or are we just intellectualizing our suffering, reframing it into yet a another hierarchy to conquer.

Tbh my interests either find me or I go and search for new things to try.

 

[bell]

I guess it's about finding what "clicks", rather than viewing hobbies as ends for enjoyment's sake. I wish I felt the same passion for life that others seem to feel. I remember having enjoyed math in school and pursuing higher concepts in my own time, even if I was retarded. But once it became an end which served only to scrape by in life it lost all its novelty, and to this day I've never once considered pursuing it again due to the embarrassment of not "getting it".

I don't believe in rediscovering yourself through finding something that clicks though. Or at least not some prolonged sense of satisfaction which comes from feeling that a course of action is right. I mostly just fill out my days through timewasters and try to concern myself with smaller changes, but that's old advice and I'm not really sure that applies here.

I operate at a moderate baseline most days as well, and I'm fairly certain that there's a similarity here in regards to being alien to satisfaction, but I'm not sure how I can articulate that without falling into self-serving internal heuristics. Or maybe I'm misjudging you here. I've never been in a relationship for instance, so I can't comprehend what fulfillment would be like outside of the abstract.

 

[GGWP]

In order to stick to something you have to cement tolerance through reinforcement learning and reward anticipation. If you loathe mathematics and are just doing it for the lols then it's not going to work.
Normies are siphoned into this automatically due to their culture, music, movies and games centering around 'rising up against all odds', 'fuckin bitches get money' and 'self-discovery through variegated consumption'.

I appreciate that it's like trying to puff up dying embers given the dismal future outlook, but the way that I encourage myself is to turn learning into an odyssey, foraying into the hidden patterns of the universe rather than crunching numbers. That's what mathematics is essentially, just abstractions/derivations of timeless and esoteric natural concepts. You should look into Pythagoreanism maybe. Doing mathematics makes me feel like a crazy shaman studying ancient runes for limitless power.

 

[Rikoel]

I guess it's about finding what "clicks", rather than viewing hobbies as ends for enjoyment's sake. I wish I felt the same passion for life that others seem to feel. I remember having enjoyed math in school and pursuing higher concepts in my own time, even if I was retarded. But once it became an end which served only to scrape by in life it lost all its novelty, and to this day I've never once considered pursuing it again due to the embarrassment of not "getting it".

I don't believe in rediscovering yourself through finding something that clicks though. Or at least not some prolonged sense of satisfaction which comes from feeling that a course of action is right. I mostly just fill out my days through timewasters and try to concern myself with smaller changes, but that's old advice and I'm not really sure that applies here.

I operate at a moderate baseline most days as well, and I'm fairly certain that there's a similarity here in regards to being alien to satisfaction, but I'm not sure how I can articulate that without falling into self-serving internal heuristics. Or maybe I'm misjudging you here. I've never been in a relationship for instance, so I can't comprehend what fulfillment would be like outside of the abstract.

You worded it well, there's definitely some overlap in our positions. The more I analyze why I do something, the less motivated I become to keep doing it.

And yeah, we are similar to being alien to satisfaction.

I really graved relationships from an early age(as 5 year-old even), for me it was just what I wanted, being understood and sharing experiences, etc.

Yeah, you really can't comprehend it until you experience it. I had never felt any real fulfillment before that, at least not in the day-to-day sense. Compared to the fleeting moments(special days) I had previously thought were that emotion, but now I know that they are very different.

 

[Rikoel]

In order to stick to something you have to cement tolerance through reinforcement learning and reward anticipation. If you loathe mathematics and are just doing it for the lols then it's not going to work.
Normies are siphoned into this automatically due to their culture, music, movies and games centering around 'rising up against all odds', 'fuckin bitches get money' and 'self-discovery through variegated consumption'.

I appreciate that it's like trying to puff up dying embers given the dismal future outlook, but the way that I encourage myself is to turn learning into an odyssey, foraying into the hidden patterns of the universe rather than crunching numbers. That's what mathematics is essentially, just abstractions/derivations of timeless and esoteric natural concepts. You should look into Pythagoreanism maybe. Doing mathematics makes me feel like a crazy shaman studying ancient runes for limitless power.

Yeah, I need to find some real interest doing math. I just find it boring most of the time. I had this course on Cholesky decompositions, it's just soul eating, if you don't find it interesting at all. Maybe I'll start doing some math in this summer IDK, haven't done math on my free time ever basically.

 

[bell]

Yeah, I need to find some real interest doing math. I just find it boring most of the time. I had this course on Cholesky decompositions, it's just soul eating, if you don't find it interesting at all. Maybe I'll start doing some math in this summer IDK, haven't done math on my free time ever basically.

I remember studying linear algebra and thinking it was cancer. Never got that far though. Always felt like the abstraction never quite cut it, felt that it had very narrow applications with boring time-old heuristics to guide you through.

The last time I remember having "fun" studying math was when I was reading a book on Banach spaces and conceptualizing scalability (looong time ago, all forgotten now, I'm not sure I can even remember what I read). Also had fun reading papers which were far above my paygrade like model theory, which felt like I was doing something for myself due to the near impossibility of ever applying that knowledge in an academic setting.

 

[incelkingkong]

i'm just riding the same things i enjoy since i was a kid (online videogames/anime) but they sure are way less fulfilling than they were when i was 12. but what can u do as a truecel low iq 0 health freak

 

[Rikoel]

I remember studying linear algebra and thinking it was cancer. Never got that far though. Always felt like the abstraction never quite cut it, felt that it had very narrow applications with boring time-old heuristics to guide you through.

The last time I remember having "fun" studying math was when I was reading a book on Banach spaces and conceptualizing scalability (looong time ago, all forgotten now, I'm not sure I can even remember what I read). Also had fun reading papers which were far above my paygrade like model theory, which felt like I was doing something for myself due to the near impossibility of ever applying that knowledge in an academic setting.

Yeah, it's cancer.

I've never really tried reading books, just lecture notes. They probably are more interesting, I just don't find the energy to open/download one. I sometimes "enjoy" doing those dumb puzzles that rarely drop on my youtube shorts, but only because it's simple and you can think it through in your head.

 

[bell]

Yeah, it's cancer.

I've never really tried reading books, just lecture notes. They probably are more interesting, I just don't find the energy to open/download one. I sometimes "enjoy" doing those dumb puzzles that rarely drop on my youtube shorts, but only because it's simple and you can think it through in your head.

Ngl I never finished a single book. Never had the attention span or the intelligence for it. Closest I got was a book on analysis and discrete math which still made me feel like a retard by the end.

 

[Rikoel]

Ngl I never finished a single book. Never had the attention span or the intelligence for it. Closest I got was a book on analysis and discrete math which still made me feel like a retard by the end.

Yeah, they seem like a long and dense reads.

I hate my laziness/low conscientiousness. I don't even know why I've always been like this as my sister and father are extremely hard working. Such a shitty trait to have, probably have some sort of ADHD too. I just can't find any attention span to anything