Discussion I don't understand why men would want to change themselves to get a gf

[Indrid]

I'm mostly referring to personality changes but I don't get the appeal in trying to appeal to women in general. Picking up hobbies primarily with the intent to "get girls" or changing you're humor via self-censorship and moralfagging. It all just feels like selling your soul for something that isn't even worth it. I've seen guys go off the rails from being a fun guy to talk to into being an insufferable faggot, all to try and appeal to a foid that sometimes isn't even there. I made some joke about blacks being useless and he was simultaneously smiling(because he found it funny) while acting all pissed and threatening me. More on that when I post the psych ward thread. On top of all this, women that you have to change yourself just to have a chance with dating them(sex isn't even guaranteed) are shallow and painful to talk to. Why do I have to become someone I hate just to have a chance at not being alone? None of it makes sense to my autistic brain.

 

[Saint Ricecel.]

Exactly. None of it matters. Face and height thats all there is to it.

These oofy doofys never learn. Not even in a million years are they gonna learn.

Becuase they're desperate.

Desperate for love. Desperate for pussy. Desperate for sex.

 

[Indrid]

Exactly. None of it matters. Face and height thats all there is to it.

These oofy doofys never learn. Not even in a million years are they gonna learn.

Becuase they're desperate.

Desperate for love. Desperate for pussy. Desperate for sex.

All the girls that might have given guys like us a chance are taken too. There's no point. I don't think face and height matters as much as being NT. Being unable to read a girl's vague ass signals is such a disadvantage. Women need to learn how to just be blunt. It's insufferable behavior.

 

[Saint Ricecel.]

All the girls that might have given guys like us a chance are taken too. There's no point. I don't think face and height matters as much as being NT. Being unable to read a girl's vague ass signals is such a disadvantage. Women need to learn how to just be blunt. It's insufferable behavior.

Women are blunt if you're GL and TALL. NT is a cope in modern society where you can just go on tinder or other dating apps.

 

[Indrid]

Women are blunt if you're GL and TALL. NT is a cope in modern society where you can just go on tinder or other dating apps.

Fair enough but guys that are neither are completely fucked. I heard female loneliness is becoming a thing now after years of male loneliness and they frankly deserve it after how they treated men for so long. They wouldn't be lonely if they weren't absurdly picky with who they associate with. In my experience, if I'm talking to a guy everything I normally say/do is often fine, but when I talk to a woman she gets pissy almost every time.

 

[menaquinone]

undervalued men try to cheat the mate selection algorithm -> women apply a higher degree of scrutiny in response -> men try to overcompensate in order to compete under this adaptation, and so on

basically forced to castigate yourself in order to get a crumb of pussy, or else just rawdog it like an inept retard and hope something sticks

 

[Saint Ricecel.]

Fair enough but guys that are neither are completely fucked. I heard female loneliness is becoming a thing now after years of male loneliness and they frankly deserve it after how they treated men for so long. They wouldn't be lonely if they weren't absurdly picky with who they associate with. In my experience, if I'm talking to a guy everything I normally say/do is often fine, but when I talk to a woman she gets pissy almost every time.

I dont even blame females lmao. Females do nothing wrong. Its humans that are flawed and emotionless creatures.

Humans have no emotions... unless it regards them... then they suddenly expect sympathy and empathy from everyone

 

[Saint Ricecel.]

undervalued men try to cheat the mate selection algorithm -> women apply a higher degree of scrutiny in response -> men try to overcompensate in order to compete under this adaptation, and so on

basically forced to castigate yourself in order to get a crumb of pussy, or else just rawdog it like an inept retard and hope something sticks

Couldnt have said it better myself. And the oofy doofy still loses in the end. Either dead bedrooms or gets divorced and then its GG.

 

[Indrid]

undervalued men try to cheat the mate selection algorithm -> women apply a higher degree of scrutiny in response -> men try to overcompensate in order to compete under this adaptation, and so on

basically forced to castigate yourself in order to get a crumb of pussy, or else just rawdog it like an inept retard and hope something sticks

Thing is, men don't have much of a "mate selection algorithm" so being a female is just a cheat for an easy life.

 

[menaquinone]

Thing is, men don't have much of a "mate selection algorithm" so being a female is just a cheat for an easy life.

i meant that women do. probably arises from an unregulated sexual marketplace, where an innate mate selection algorithm will select for superficial characteristics, rather than proffering contractual obligations on the part of women who have "the ball in their court"

undervalued men basically try to move up the ranks by arbitrarily adopting "attractive" qualities or behaviours, regardless of what women actually want. these qualities are usually tailored to female interests rather than from any intrinsic values. that's probably the root of PUAfagging and the longhouse

but i mean, would you rather be a woman? there are probably inherent tradeoffs that come from possessing a vagina, being a conceptual prism that is an evolutionary fleshhole which invites rape and molestation (as funny as that might be), just as the fact of having flesh invites the possibility of cannabalism or maiming. surely the most rational course is to laugh at them for being sluts from afar...

 

[Indrid]

surely the most rational course is to laugh at them for being sluts from afar...

thats the main thing I do I just like trying to figure out why they are like this beyond the fucked dating marketz

 

[menaquinone]

thats the main thing I do I just like trying to figure out why they are like this beyond the fucked dating marketz

tbh ive never been able to properly understand. can only try to rationalize my instinctual disgust for their behaviour

 

[Forecast]

It don't matter what your hobbies are or what you do in your freetime as a man, your life could be playing Yu-Gi-Oh and beating up homeless people for more booster pack money, as long as you're good looking enough and a woman would want to be seen in public with you then all that don't matter. Really don't get this whole mindset of "get better hobbies bro!!!", when most women make their mind up on if they would associate you or not in the first 13 seconds of meeting you...

 

[somethingtobelievein]

We're all screwed up thinking about "getting girls" or a gf rather than a partner, becoming a man, providing a home, and laying with your woman each night.

 

[Kevin_Logan]

True, just bee yourself

 

[Indrid]

True, just bee yourselfView attachment 3907

I am, and the everyone hates me for it.

 

[GGWP]

Worth is relative, and so is cost.
What's the alternative to self improvement? Rotting, masturbating and other hedonistic pursuits according to incels.
Yet paradoxically they are not happy doing any of these things. They might as well be self improving, it's not as if they lose anything by doing so. We live in a world of hyper-abundance, work done is hardly a significant detriment to humans in the 21st century.

Personality is malleable and 'being yourself' is an illusion. The self is constantly changing in response to certain stimuli, some people make an active effort to commandeer their personality in a certain direction as an expression of personal freedom. Once you realize that the self is not stable, you can make concerted efforts to alter your personality to fit the ideal. A lot of males are so caught up in the allure of female affection from biological necessity and social conditioning from birth that it becomes a subconscious vector for personality alteration. Autistics develop differently, it is a positive feedback loop of divergent brain structure in childhood (initially kick-started by toxins in the womb), compounded upon by the tendency for others to avoid aberrant developmental signs (thus chaotically spiraling into a loop of divergence-avoidance), which has been shown by recover-ability of autism sufferers when early childhood intervention is applied. In short, you were likely not conditioned to crave female attention because autistics never tend to get any despite all attempts at personality modification. People who know that modifying their personality can get them female affection will naturally tend to focus on it because they know that it is likely to work at least somewhat. This is why autism is a spectrum disease and linked to both genetics and environment, and why literally anyone could 'contract' autism, and why it is increasing in modern times (the environmental aspect is magnified by atomized, low-trust socieites).

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Worth is relative, and so is cost.
What's the alternative to self improvement? Rotting, masturbating and other hedonistic pursuits according to incels.
Yet paradoxically they are not happy doing any of these things. They might as well be self improving, it's not as if they lose anything by doing so. We live in a world of hyper-abundance, work done is hardly a significant detriment to humans in the 21st century.

Personality is malleable and 'being yourself' is an illusion. The self is constantly changing in response to certain stimuli, some people make an active effort to commandeer their personality in a certain direction as an expression of personal freedom. Once you realize that the self is not stable, you can make concerted efforts to alter your personality to fit the ideal. A lot of males are so caught up in the allure of female affection from biological necessity and social conditioning from birth that it becomes a subconscious vector for personality alteration. Autistics develop differently, it is a positive feedback loop of divergent brain structure in childhood (initially kick-started by toxins in the womb), compounded upon by the tendency for others to avoid aberrant developmental signs (thus chaotically spiraling into a loop of divergence-avoidance), which has been shown by recover-ability of autism sufferers when early childhood intervention is applied. In short, you were likely not conditioned to crave female attention because autistics never tend to get any despite all attempts at personality modification. People who know that modifying their personality can get them female affection will naturally tend to focus on it because they know that it is likely to work at least somewhat. This is why autism is a spectrum disease and linked to both genetics and environment, and why literally anyone could 'contract' autism, and why it is increasing in modern times (the environmental aspect is magnified by atomized, low-trust socieites).

What is your advice for autistics?

 

[Forecast]

What is your advice for autistics?

You need to learn to mask well and never let too many of your quirks or hobbies slip to normies. Once you get into your head that they will never accept you for who you are better you'll adapt yourself, only friends you know are on the same wave level you let your mask slip. This also applies to women, obviously a gf will find out your autistic eventually as she has to, its your girlfriend, just never come too fast with the quirks and kinda drip feed it in a way until she kinda accepts it if that makes sense.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Once you get into your head that they will never accept you for who you are better you'll adapt yourself

Can you explain this a bit better, it's worded a bit weirdly

 

[Forecast]

Can you explain this a bit better, it's worded a bit weirdly

Normies just don't like autistic quirks: they hate the bluntness, they hate the difference in thought, and they hate the mannerism. They will virtue signal for every other group but they will put you down for things you can't help, they are very fake people sadly the majority of people (normies) so you gotta adapt to be around them and to watch your mannerisms and tounge, it will never work other way around and autistic acceptance is kinda a meme.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Normies just don't like autistic quirks: they hate the bluntness, they hate the difference in thought, and they hate the mannerism. They will virtue signal for every other group but they will put you down for things you can't help, they are very fake people sadly the majority of people (normies) so you gotta adapt to be around them and to watch your mannerisms and tounge, it will never work other way around and autistic acceptance is kinda a meme.

I was bullied by them in the past and have severe trust issues now.

 

[Forecast]

I was bullied by them in the past and have severe trust issues now.

Yeah don't trust them, just learn the house rules around them and don't let yourself become a target by coming off as too spergy around them.

 

[Indrid]

I was bullied by them in the past and have severe trust issues now.

bully the normies back

 

[Tabula Rasa]

bully the normies back

It's in the long past boyo