It is possible to live a life where there are no problems, no inner conflict within oneself and so with others and no frustration, fear, sorrow, trauma, resentment, disappointment , guilt or anger at what ever happens in life. This comes about when thought sees the danger that it is causing...
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It is possible to live a life where there are no problems, no inner conflict within oneself and so with others and no frustration, fear, sorrow, trauma, resentment, disappointment , guilt or anger at what ever happens in life.
No, I don't think this is possible. Maybe in an ideal world you can stop suffering, but the thing is that as long as there is a human biological body that has to live within causality, there will be a body there to produce suffering thoughts. If we go by the perspective of the man who wrote the post, then the ideal thing instead would be to observe that suffering arises based on causes and conditions. Suffering, but no sufferer to put it in his view. Views are all we got.
This comes about when thought sees the danger that it is causing its own psycological suffering, which is the error of constucting a veiw of life as a seperate self, it is a fact that we have to be a seperate self for practicle reasons of identity but we do not have to beleive that is anything more than a construct of thought, this has always been the root cause of all the psychological suffering of mankind, the inner conflict and outer violence.
Yes, I do agree that from the perspective of thought it seems as if there has always been a supposed "I-center" of control, like an homunculus inside the head, and that this "I" has always been in absolute control of absolutely everything, but that this is not this way and in reality it is a pure construct of thought blah, blah, blah. Nonetheless, I don't think that this "self-illusion" is "the root cause of all the psychological suffering of mankind, the inner conflict and outer violence" because simply putting it, I don't think that biologically we are designed for happiness and some evidence shows it, take a look at the hedonic treadmill for example.
When it is seen that no control of thought by thought is possible and any method of control of thought by the thinker is an illusion because the thinker is thought and there is no existance of a thinker outside of thought, an extraordinary change occurs and thought begins to find it's limits and so it's right place.
Yes, this is an important realization. The thing is that not every thought should be dismisse simply as a "thought". I think that there are very important thoughts that appear during the day that are telling you something about yourself, and you shouldn't ignore that. Else you are simply bypassing your own psychology and it will come back and haunt you later. You are just dissociating yourself.
This whole structure of thought is based on the illusion of being a seperate self and when this is seen though then it becomes apparent that all ones problems and struggles in life were always within this thought structure not coming from outside it and forced on a self but manufactured by a self,
I don't think that the dysregulated nervous system produced by the illusion of thought can just simply be dismissed as an "illusion". There are REAL problems, and you cannot simply bypass that shit like that.
all the psycological suffing in one's life happened to a " me " which is this imaginary structure , once this illusion is no longer beleived in as real, and it only ever existed by beleiving it was real, then there is only what is happening, nothing is happening to the me character , so there is no conflict or resistance to what is happening . What is happening is just the constant change of all things , nothing is for or against a me .
Yeahhh... nothing is happening to thought because it doesn't exist per se in the material world, but there is a body which has been affected by trauma and thought. We cannot simply dismiss it. Work in both dimensions of life.
We are manufacturing our own psychological suffering ourselves, there is no seperate self apart from this suffering that can act on or control, modify or end this suffering, there is only one structure of thought, the observer of the suffering is the same sufferer.
This is a very extreme view for me. We are not to blame for all of the suffering that happens to us. Many situations are simply difficult and hard and they naturally condition the arising of suffering thoughts.
All ideas of self help, therapies, idealogies or psychologies can be dispensed with completely for they are still within the same structure of thought, one thought attempting to control another, which is endless conflict.
I don't think so necessarily. If thought has dysregulated you, then thought itself can also help you to regulate yourself again.
This can never come about by thought, whether intellectually, by philosophy or knowledge of psychology, by any knowledge at all, because seeing this is outside the scope of the intellect, which is knowledge. Nor by constructing a contrary beleif that there is "no me" or by surrendering the me to a higher power which is again just an invention of the me , but by ending the moment by moment constuction and maintenance of the me and not replacing it with anything else , that means anything that you can be aware of being, however a subtle and ingenious new version of me thought has manufactured, and those illusions are infinite, thought is a mechanism for producing illusions to keep the continuity of the self going at all costs, you cannot outsmart it. Intellect is of no use here, knowledge of psychology puts you further away from this not closer.
Yeah, I can't believe I was wasting my time doing all of this bullshit lmao. Shadow work is simply better for us people of the west. Else you are using all of this teachings to shield yourself from your own emotional pain which as I said earlier, it will come back and bite you in the ass.
Where this structure of the self exists then there is not reality but a modified version of reality that is based around the illusion of what is best for the self character, where the self is not then all things are as they are, which is reality, there are no psycological problems in reality because there is no self to be in conflict with what is happening, no self to be in conflict with another self, no self to hold onto any beleifs or opinions that conflict with anothers beleifs or opinions. Once these things fall away then the content of the self becomes empty for there is no need to fill it in order to populate a self character, and so a life that cannot be touched by any psychological conflict or suffering at all, for there is nothing in conflict and no entity to suffer.
This is so neurotic lmao. No different from suffering itself. The search for the end of suffering just brings more suffering. Better to enjoy life than read this pointless shit.
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If I had to give my own reflections of what I've learned during 2025 which was the year in which I got a lot into reading about this shit, is that you can't simply use this teachings as a way to distract yourself from your own pain because it always comes back. Better to go to a good therapist, or do some very intensive self-reflection so that you can attempt to escape all of your own unconscious tendencies because most of the suffering is caused unconsciously, specially when you are not paying attention to what is happening right now. I mean, if all thought is pure illusion as you say... then why not confront it instead of ignoring it. Deconstruct all the bullshit right now, face the bullshit right now. Cut the bullshit. You'll realize that if you do very intensive shadow work, meditation becomes giga easy because your mind is already purified. Now you can really focus on experiencing the good shit.
Most people use this shit to escape from themselves, it even has a name: spiritual bypassing. You realize it? Everything we are doing is escaping from ourselves, everything becomes an attempt to escape... Then it means that escaping is something we should not be doing as it is probably one of the biggest causes of all this suffering.
