parents are evil

[Loner]

they force you into this shithole without your consent, order you around, and if you dare stand up for yourself it’s called back talk and they’ll punish you

they force burdens and expectations (chores) on you and expect you to adhere to them just cuz they brought you into world and you rely on them

having to spend so much time being dependent on someone else for survival and needs is so cringe and pathetic, contrary having to spend 18 years raising some brat is also cucked when I could be spending that money on myself and anything I want.

then they feel entitled to your help in old age and think there’s some moral obligation to put up with their BS just cuz you’re their kid

I’m child free and antinatalist. all my money goes to me and I don’t have to share anything with anyone. I champion selfishness and self interest. I’d never bring some poor soul into this world and have them be helplessly dependent on me for so much time. Everything goes to me.

 

[JayJaySattva]

they force you into this shithole without your consent, order you around, and if you dare stand up for yourself it’s called back talk and they’ll punish you

they force burdens and expectations (chores) on you and expect you to adhere to them just cuz they brought you into world and you rely on them

having to spend so much time being dependent on someone else for survival and needs is so cringe and pathetic, contrary having to spend 18 years raising some brat is also cucked when I could be spending that money on myself and anything I want.

then they feel entitled to your help in old age and think there’s some moral obligation to put up with their BS just cuz you’re their kid

I’m child free and antinatalist. all my money goes to me and I don’t have to share anything with anyone. I champion selfishness and self interest. I’d never bring some poor soul into this world and have them be helplessly dependent on me for so much time. Everything goes to me.

Children deserve to be loved.

 

[Sovereign]

they force you into this shithole without your consent, order you around, and if you dare stand up for yourself it’s called back talk and they’ll punish you

they force burdens and expectations (chores) on you and expect you to adhere to them just cuz they brought you into world and you rely on them

having to spend so much time being dependent on someone else for survival and needs is so cringe and pathetic, contrary having to spend 18 years raising some brat is also cucked when I could be spending that money on myself and anything I want.

then they feel entitled to your help in old age and think there’s some moral obligation to put up with their BS just cuz you’re their kid

I’m child free and antinatalist. all my money goes to me and I don’t have to share anything with anyone. I champion selfishness and self interest. I’d never bring some poor soul into this world and have them be helplessly dependent on me for so much time. Everything goes to me.

You know I think there is something to what you've written, the problem I have however is that this is to common, to easy an answer. I wouldn't blame you for the partial bits that common to write. The reality is imagine your a human being who's been on this earth for say 20 years, do you think in that life span that human had the mental capacity or abilities we might assume him to have?

Or even more so, that we in the modern day might even try to understand his circumstance? Human beings aren't a problem, its when we act on this faulty world view and we become so alienated from ourselves and others, how is it that we don't lose ourselves, our minds and our sense of being or purpose?

"having to spend so much time being dependent on someone else for survival and needs is so cringe and pathetic"
My answer to this, you were once that, you costed someone money, time and energy. You existed and you may not have existed well, but you know what, the answer is wrong, incorrect and hopelessly without substance; we need one another because our being is designed as such that we co-create- Now ask me if that's really what I think or could verify to be true this is my example which I must base on reason:

A pyramid first came from mind, imagination, but in order to make it happen one needed material; the essence of it is the efficiency of the task. If you want it to get done and see it come into being it must only become possible by people, by other minds.

The proof lies in our being, our actions effect the physical domain, if we want to change it on a larger scale that then requires more bodies in order for it to come into place. My point is that we create with our imagination, we bring it into being via our actions.

We must not assume for a minute that a child is stupid, because child is but a word to describe a state of being or a person who exist in an infantile state. Though, it should be noted that what we do to them, how we treat them and how they go on to internalize that behavior which others have inflicted upon them; should we not expect that positive behavior produces positive results? That negative behavior produces negative results.

Where there is merit is in the statements:
"they force burdens and expectations (chores) on you and expect you to adhere to them just cuz they brought you into world and you rely on them"
Man is not likable, we give each other reasons and rightfully so, yes they do force certain labors upon us. However if must be made clear what is correct instruction and not; for Correct instruction is that which is informative & true the quality of input determines the quality of output. And the truth of the matter is parents of many eras (Most eras) are not capable nor competent, nor can we hold them to high standards. In the modern sense, you can't hold children anymore to a standard then you can hold an adult who's life is so castrated & limited that they should give information capable of giving you the ability to act accordingly.

 

[Chisai]

2So I admired the dead, who had already died, above the living, who are still alive. 3But better than both is he who has not yet existed, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.…
Ecclesiastes has to be one of the darkest books available to normies yet they listen to it and they don't even digest it it just passes by like dust carried by the wind unnoticed...

 

[Schwarzwald]

they force you into this shithole without your consent, order you around, and if you dare stand up for yourself it’s called back talk and they’ll punish you

they force burdens and expectations (chores) on you and expect you to adhere to them just cuz they brought you into world and you rely on them

having to spend so much time being dependent on someone else for survival and needs is so cringe and pathetic, contrary having to spend 18 years raising some brat is also cucked when I could be spending that money on myself and anything I want.

then they feel entitled to your help in old age and think there’s some moral obligation to put up with their BS just cuz you’re their kid

I’m child free and antinatalist. all my money goes to me and I don’t have to share anything with anyone. I champion selfishness and self interest. I’d never bring some poor soul into this world and have them be helplessly dependent on me for so much time. Everything goes to me.

Imagine being so broken by the system that you actually think auditing your own extinction is a win. You’re not "standing up for yourself," you’re just a malfunctioning animal that’s been convinced that a pile of plastic and a quiet house is worth more than the literal biochemistry of the human soul.
From a purely hardware level, you’re missing the ultimate dopamine cheat code—seeing your own kids rock out and become their own people. You think you're "championing self-interest," but you're really just trading a high-voltage, soul-expanding connection for the flickering light of a bank statement. You’ve built a high-end prison for yourself where "everything goes to me," but you're the only person in the room. That isn't sovereignty; it’s a solitary confinement cell you’re paying rent on.
You call duty and responsibility "cringe" because the weight of the steering wheel terrifies you, so you’ve decided to just set the car on fire and sit in the ashes. Real Masters build legacies and keep the village engine running; clerks just balance their checkbooks until the lights go out. Enjoy your "selfishness"—it’s just a fancy word for being the only person left in a house that nobody’s ever going to visit again.

I haven't felt such pity in a long time.

 

[Loner]

Imagine being so broken by the system that you actually think auditing your own extinction is a win. You’re not "standing up for yourself," you’re just a malfunctioning animal that’s been convinced that a pile of plastic and a quiet house is worth more than the literal biochemistry of the human soul.
From a purely hardware level, you’re missing the ultimate dopamine cheat code—seeing your own kids rock out and become their own people. You think you're "championing self-interest," but you're really just trading a high-voltage, soul-expanding connection for the flickering light of a bank statement. You’ve built a high-end prison for yourself where "everything goes to me," but you're the only person in the room. That isn't sovereignty; it’s a solitary confinement cell you’re paying rent on.
You call duty and responsibility "cringe" because the weight of the steering wheel terrifiesu, so you’ve decided to just set the car on fire and sit in the ashes. Real Masters build legacies and keep the village engine running; clerks just balance their checkbooks until the lights go out. Enjoy your "selfishness"—it’s just a fancy word for being the only person left in a house that nobody’s ever going to visit again.

I haven't felt such pity in a long time.

d n r pseudointellectual pretentious babbling

you sound like a.i

 

[Schwarzwald]

You know I think there is something to what you've written, the problem I have however is that this is to common, to easy an answer. I wouldn't blame you for the partial bits that common to write. The reality is imagine your a human being who's been on this earth for say 20 years, do you think in that life span that human had the mental capacity or abilities we might assume him to have?

Or even more so, that we in the modern day might even try to understand his circumstance? Human beings aren't a problem, its when we act on this faulty world view and we become so alienated from ourselves and others, how is it that we don't lose ourselves, our minds and our sense of being or purpose?

"having to spend so much time being dependent on someone else for survival and needs is so cringe and pathetic"
My answer to this, you were once that, you costed someone money, time and energy. You existed and you may not have existed well, but you know what, the answer is wrong, incorrect and hopelessly without substance; we need one another because our being is designed as such that we co-create- Now ask me if that's really what I think or could verify to be true this is my example which I must base on reason:

A pyramid first came from mind, imagination, but in order to make it happen one needed material; the essence of it is the efficiency of the task. If you want it to get done and see it come into being it must only become possible by people, by other minds.

The proof lies in our being, our actions effect the physical domain, if we want to change it on a larger scale that then requires more bodies in order for it to come into place. My point is that we create with our imagination, we bring it into being via our actions.

We must not assume for a minute that a child is stupid, because child is but a word to describe a state of being or a person who exist in an infantile state. Though, it should be noted that what we do to them, how we treat them and how they go on to internalize that behavior which others have inflicted upon them; should we not expect that positive behavior produces positive results? That negative behavior produces negative results.

Where there is merit is in the statements:
"they force burdens and expectations (chores) on you and expect you to adhere to them just cuz they brought you into world and you rely on them"
Man is not likable, we give each other reasons and rightfully so, yes they do force certain labors upon us. However if must be made clear what is correct instruction and not; for Correct instruction is that which is informative & true the quality of input determines the quality of output. And the truth of the matter is parents of many eras (Most eras) are not capable nor competent, nor can we hold them to high standards. In the modern sense, you can't hold children anymore to a standard then you can hold an adult who's life is so castrated & limited that they should give information capable of giving you the ability to act accordingly.

Spot on with the "Pyramid" logic—you’re talking about the actual logistics of the soul. Civilization isn’t just a collection of isolated individuals; it’s a co-created engine fueled by the Will to bring imagination into the physical domain.
The antinatalist thinks he’s "free" because he isn't "cucked" by responsibility, but he’s really just a Driver refusing to put fuel in the tank because he’s scared of the mileage. He’s stuck in that Ahrimanic loop where everything is a transaction, failing to see that the "burden" of a child is actually the "material" required to build something that lasts longer than a bank statement.
You hit the nail on the head regarding the "castrated" adult, too. We live in a world where the "village water pump" is so broken that people have forgotten how to be competent instructors. They’ve been so hollowed out by the system that they view the next generation as a threat to their "stuff" rather than the realization of their own potential.

This is the difference between a Master and a Clerk. The Clerk audits his own extinction and calls it "self-interest". The Master understands that our being is designed to expand the domain through co-creation.

 

[Schwarzwald]

d n r pseudointellectual pretentious babbling

you sound like a.i

Calling it "babbling" is the ultimate cope when you’ve already admitted your whole personality is just hiding in an internet bubble because you have "social anhedonia". It’s not "pretentious" to point out that your antinatalism isn't a real philosophy—it’s just a side effect of being too avoidant to handle the real world. You aren’t some edgy rebel; you’re just a guy who’s still mad his parents made him do chores, and now you’re trying to turn your own loneliness into a moral high ground. Keep counting your pennies and auditing your own extinction in that quiet room while the rest of us actually build things. Cope and seethe in your bubble.

 

[Schwarzwald]

*typing intensifies*

 

[Loner]

Calling it "babbling" is the ultimate cope when you’ve already admitted your whole personality is just hiding in an internet bubble because you have "social anhedonia". It’s not "pretentious" to point out that your antinatalism isn't a real philosophy—it’s just a side effect of being too avoidant to handle the real world. You aren’t some edgy rebel; you’re just a guy who’s still mad his parents made him do chores, and now you’re trying to turn your own loneliness into a moral high ground. Keep counting your pennies and auditing your own extinction in that quiet room while the rest of us actually build things. Cope and seethe in your bubble.

more drivel, you must be having a blast using a.i to write all these metaphors for you buddy, I’m honestly amused at the repetitive bullshit and writing style you’ve been spewing across this forum

you don’t know a damn thing about me or my lifestyle you retarded fuck, not everyone who believes in antinatalism is some edgy teenager. parents are evil because they bring you into a world without your fucking consent and place all these burdens and responsibilities upon you that no one asked for in the first place

how does not wanting to have kids mean I’m “too avoidant to handle” the real world? imagine being so hopelessly dependent on this system for validation you actually believe someone’s decision to not have kids and avoid social norms such as that automatically makes you a fool missing out on some “soul expanding connection” when those connections can be lost or damaged in a single instant? maybe I value and love myself more than anyone ever could? maybe I put myself first and live life on my own terms? not to mention the rise in dual income no kid couples

I choose this path because I know what’s right for me according to what I value which is solitude, independence, and financial freedom

you speak of co-creation like the typical NPC robot who’s bought into the idea that spreading one’s genes and finding some mystical connection is the ultimate truth

I honestly feel bad that you’ve bought into the very lie that keeps you stuck here

keep coping with muh “co-creation” like a slave while I’ll be busy having out of body experiences

 

[newsincerity]