Psycho Pass and the void of a real discussion about the surveillance state

[Wolfstorm]

I have been watching the anime from 2012 and it is uncanny how much predictive it is.
And what makes me more frightened, is the complete absence of a discussion about it. Cellphone cameras now have infrared, still no one talks about it. Facial recognition is being forced everywhere, and no one bats an eye. It is not just about AI, but the way this tech can lead to real exclusion and to the end of privacy. The tech for the cymatic scans is already here, but people acts as if nothing is happening.

Instead people prefer to discuss the Epstein list, the jewish wars in the middle east or worse, about foids and relationships, the worst subject on the internet. Not a single word about algorithm censorship, or maybe there is, but the algo is censoring it, obviously.

It is over for humanity.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Guess I need to watch Psycho Pass next.

 

[porco-dddio]

watched the anme but I dont remember it very well I think is pretty good. Will give it a second watch seems awesome.

 

[Quintilian]

I have been watching the anime from 2012 and it is uncanny how much predictive it is.
And what makes me more frightened, is the complete absence of a discussion about it. Cellphone cameras now have infrared, still no one talks about it. Facial recognition is being forced everywhere, and no one bats an eye. It is not just about AI, but the way this tech can lead to real exclusion and to the end of privacy. The tech for the cymatic scans is already here, but people acts as if nothing is happening.

Instead people prefer to discuss the Epstein list, the jewish wars in the middle east or worse, about foids and relationships, the worst subject on the internet. Not a single word about algorithm censorship, or maybe there is, but the algo is censoring it, obviously.

It is over for humanity.

I watched it too, its one of my favorites, I don't want to spoil it, but remember that scene from that one character who's name escapes me, how he mentioned that there is no justification for the system? But rather your subtly coercied into it?

 

[Depresso]

I have been watching the anime from 2012 and it is uncanny how much predictive it is.
And what makes me more frightened, is the complete absence of a discussion about it. Cellphone cameras now have infrared, still no one talks about it. Facial recognition is being forced everywhere, and no one bats an eye. It is not just about AI, but the way this tech can lead to real exclusion and to the end of privacy. The tech for the cymatic scans is already here, but people acts as if nothing is happening.

Instead people prefer to discuss the Epstein list, the jewish wars in the middle east or worse, about foids and relationships, the worst subject on the internet. Not a single word about algorithm censorship, or maybe there is, but the algo is censoring it, obviously.

It is over for humanity.

The only problem is that normies don't actually get it.

 

[CopingForBrutality]

This anime has been on my watch list for a long time but never came around to it, I suppose it's time

 

[Wolfstorm]

The only problem is that normies don't actually get it.

They think it is fiction and it will never happen. I installed an app called anura that allows the cellphone camera to check your heart beating. Google told me there is infrared in the camera, very convenient. But the normie thinks the convenience will always be to his benefit.
And then you have panoptic.ai they not even hiding it, it is in the name, but the normie dont know what a panopticon is.
And even those who are said to be "awakened" dont talk about the subject, they prefer to talk about the middle east, about muh pedos.
I'm thinking about stockpilling used pc parts.

 

[Wolfstorm]

I watched it too, its one of my favorites, I don't want to spoil it, but remember that scene from that one character who's name escapes me, how he mentioned that there is no justification for the system? But rather your subtly coercied into it?

I think it is Kagari who said it. And later the anime shows how flawed the system is.

Spoiler

 

[porco-dddio]

Watched entire season1 yesterday. Yes I think is based on robust theories, most are plausible scifi themes.

The idea you can put human brains in a vat and use them for computational power is true. You can also bulid structures with more brains connected together.

Seems to me the criminal color grading model that is assigned to people is subjctive but not random, so the idea sybil system is a council of brains is pretty good. I mean the narrative solves the idea that criminal is a social category. While is true "criminal" is sociology, the narrative solved it by saying sybil is going to interpret signs, and they offer therapy to almost everyone, except those who are too far gone. So the criminal coefficient can go up or down, they measure also anxiety, confidence... of entire areas

What seems feeble to me, is a potential flaw of this system, they seem to measure at any time only the visible demonstrable signs and signals from the body and do not consider the history of a person, so there is still place in the world for detective work. What surprises me also is that detectives retained their old policeman skills, while in reality when police is habituated to use AI and bein assisted with software they quickly forget their past investigative skills. But in this future dystopia the detectives are fully skilled and solve things the council of brains cannot.

Seems also Sybil system values detective work and is cooperative up to a point. Sybil is mostly rational, fascinating that the system seeks to improve itself and resolve contradictions constantly. If you compare it to matrix, the system (machines) does not solves contradictions but instead serves the cause of awakening the messiah by allowing contradiction to exist. Matrix is a system that accepts failure as part of the design, and all machines are bound to the logic of reconciliation of opposites so that in the end the sparks of holiness are reunited.

Sybil isnt kabbalist instead, seems to me its completely "human" as a system, made of a council of antisocial brains who seek endless perennial improvement and interpret the idea of "perfection" thru the narrative established by humans. What really is sybil is us humans being imperfect, but we scaled our brains to the level of an institution who still uses the human logic.

I disagree with the weber idea used by the psychologist in the anime, the idea of a perfect bureaucrat. I think sybil is not the perfect bureaucrat framed how they did. Remember that part where they quote max weber idea of perfect bureaucracy? Well, I disagree, its not "perfect" in the terms established by weber. Sybil acknowledges that to be perfect it has to keep improving, and the "perfection" is human narrative.

Sybil has human values. Sybil says that emotinal stability allows the brain collective to be able to predict, and cant deviate or risks unpredictable danger, engaging in pre-emptive punishment and endless therapy is preferable. Sybil defines "what is good" and then enforces it statistically with some council of brains. In other words sybil isnt a bureaucracy, cause is not "rules". Bureaucracy is explicit rules and formal authority like some sort of math formula. Sybil is the opposite its a hidden system that makes exceptions when it wants to, and rules apply unless the system continuity requires a change or the system adapts again.

 

[porco-dddio]

The protagonist told sybil "one day I will defeat you" or "someone else will", with new theory maybe...

sybil laughed and told her go ahead and try.

I dont think shes right. You can defeat bureaucracy, cause is a formal system. But sybil... its something else, its human brains in a vat a council of intelligences who is biological.

The anarchist rebels were also all clueless, unable even to define the enemy they were rebeling against, they didnt even know what is sybil, cause they couldnt model it, its not just "a bureaucracy".

You cannot rebel easily against a thing like sybil, a system that defines what is "correct measurement" is a human that simply says "humans are measure of all things", its very hard to solve.

Also sybil wants you to solve it, so it can grow further.

Lastly, notice the protagonist (forgot her asian name) said the solution to sybil is bureaucracy. She said she wanted to go back to institutions that put people on trial and judge them before the law. Isnt it ironic? Cause the framing of the first part of the narrative was Human vs bureaucracy.

Later, it is shown that bureaucracy was the alternative to sybil.

 

[porco-dddio]

In all honesty, if a system like sybil could be done I would want to try it. Cause im sick and tired of "anarchy" and im glad the anime mocks them showing how stupid they all are. Or "nazism" or "communism", or whatever.

Would it not be funnier to have sybil? The villain in the anime was also given a choice to join the council of brains, and he was simply choosing another aesthetic, and he learned later that his aesthetic would have been accepted and integrated, he still said "no thanks i go live the aesthetic"

Fascinating anime. Also yes, I think we should use anime and scifi to discuss what system there could be in the future. This one like sybil is a nice thought experim.

I was readin epstein list schizos, they have ideas that go in that direction, only that they follow kabbalah. If you see it the way I do, this sybil stuff is an anti-kabbalah perspective. Cause sybil isnt at all interested in uniting sparks of holiness. However, the anime shown when you dont live under kabbalah life can seem kinda boring. This is stuff to consider, we humans require some great narrative, and sybil did nothing to offer one.

Imagine if we antisocial incels joined a brain in a vat collective, we would be fine having no great narrative. We antisocial incels dont give a shit about nazism or communism. What about the normies? Also, antisocial doesnt means youre fully free of narrative, and so sybil wasnt free of it as well, it simply used the collective biases inherent in all the brains in a vat selected for personality type. Such brains didnt giva fuck about the sheeple normies.

Sheeple normies require narrative. The current model is superman goes in the world, narrativizes everything and gives senses and aesthetics to sheeple normies. Only some antisocial "schizo retard" incels dont like it. So psycho pass says "what if schizo retards take power". Sybil is really what the schizo retard would do to everyone else, a world without any great narrative would make sheeple suffer a lot.

 

[Depresso]

In all honesty, if a system like sybil could be done I would want to try it. Cause im sick and tired of "anarchy" and im glad the anime mocks them showing how stupid they all are. Or "nazism" or "communism", or whatever.

Would it not be funnier to have sybil? The villain in the anime was also given a choice to join the council of brains, and he was simply choosing another aesthetic, and he learned later that his aesthetic would have been accepted and integrated, he still said "no thanks i go live the aesthetic"

Fascinating anime. Also yes, I think we should use anime and scifi to discuss what system there could be in the future. This one like sybil is a nice thought experim.

I was readin epstein list schizos, they have ideas that go in that direction, only that they follow kabbalah. If you see it the way I do, this sybil stuff is an anti-kabbalah perspective. Cause sybil isnt at all interested in uniting sparks of holiness. However, the anime shown when you dont live under kabbalah life can seem kinda boring. This is stuff to consider, we humans require some great narrative, and sybil did nothing to offer one.

Imagine if we antisocial incels joined a brain in a vat collective, we would be fine having no great narrative. We antisocial incels dont give a shit about nazism or communism. What about the normies? Also, antisocial doesnt means youre fully free of narrative, and so sybil wasnt free of it as well, it simply used the collective biases inherent in all the brains in a vat selected for personality type. Such brains didnt giva fuck about the sheeple normies.

Sheeple normies require narrative. The current model is superman goes in the world, narrativizes everything and gives senses and aesthetics to sheeple normies. Only some antisocial "schizo retard" incels dont like it. So psycho pass says "what if schizo retards take power". Sybil is really what the schizo retard would do to everyone else, a world without any great narrative would make sheeple suffer a lot.

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What do you use to create these posters?

 

[porco-dddio]

What do you use to create these posters?

Standard Google Gemini but I'm very descriptive so I instruct which text do add so on.

That meme was born after I read dannunzio "superuomo" which is his variant of ubermensch.

The idea is superior elites go in the world, experience it live it, and transmute it. Once elite "Superman" processed the human experiences, gives them to the sheeple all the senses and aesthetics.

The elite is benevolent. The demiurge ubermensch is framed as good guy that gives you a reason.

Sybil system is a collective of antisocial incels who rejected the myth of ubermensch. That is accurate, it's literally how antisocial people tend to think.

 

[porco-dddio]

Another issue of psycho pass sybil system is they say they rely on autistic incels to make it function. But every autistic incel is rare, and they cant find replacements, and every time they add another brain to the collective they remove another incel from the genepool.

So they will have issues in the future getting incel spare parts.

So the fix is to incelify the whole population using incel DNA to rebuild them, so they will think more like an incel less like a normie, and the whole system will carry some traits of the incel, not too much. Incelocracy needs normies as preserved animals in a reserve.

 

[Depresso]

Standard Google Gemini but I'm very descriptive so I instruct which text do add so on.

That meme was born after I read dannunzio "superuomo" which is his variant of ubermensch.

The idea is superior elites go in the world, experience it live it, and transmute it. Once elite "Superman" processed the human experiences, gives them to the sheeple all the senses and aesthetics.

The elite is benevolent. The demiurge ubermensch is framed as good guy that gives you a reason.

Sybil system is a collective of antisocial incels who rejected the myth of ubermensch. That is accurate, it's literally how antisocial people tend to think.

You're presenting the ubermensch as the demiurge? How so?

 

[porco-dddio]

You're presenting the ubermensch as the demiurge? How so?

hes a mini-demiurge in dannunzio framing.

A guy who is able to transform experience into symbol is able to recompose reality. So he sees world as plastic transformable. The normie sheeple instead sees the world as fixed, known and all normie sheeple have to do is "transcend" using the aesthetics and BS spirituality given to them.

superuomo: a minor demiurge who treats lived experience as plastic matter, continuously reshaping the world through aesthetic will and self narrative.

TLDR you stylize yourself youre above the sheeple subhuman underrace, and by framing of dannunzio you would be "superuomo" and youre also generous and benevolent in his framing.

This is not a cope, its all real. I mean, its the reallife version of our reality, we are all defined by elite narratives. Myself included, yourself, everyone is. Except the superuomo can reframe the world again and open it again when it seems all closed.

 

[Depresso]

hes a mini-demiurge in dannunzio framing.

A guy who is able to transform experience into symbol is able to recompose reality. So he sees world as plastic transformable. The normie sheeple instead sees the world as fixed, known and all normie sheeple have to do is "transcend" using the aesthetics and BS spirituality given to them.

superuomo: a minor demiurge who treats lived experience as plastic matter, continuously reshaping the world through aesthetic will and self narrative.

TLDR you stylize yourself youre above the sheeple subhuman underrace, and by framing of dannunzio you would be "superuomo" and youre also generous and benevolent in his framing.

This is not a cope, its all real. I mean, its the reallife version of our reality, we are all defined by elite narratives. Myself included, yourself, everyone is. Except the superuomo can reframe the world again and open it again when it seems all closed.

Are the superuomo celebrities and influencers? Who does it include?

 

[porco-dddio]

Are the superuomo celebrities and influencers? Who does it include?

I dont know who dannunzio would include I think he was into the idea of the poet world author.

I think he would have liked Peggy Guggenheim, I mean someone able to reach aesthetic sovereignty. Not just eceleb or incel shitposter or some random artist who has his songs ghostwritten.

Myth author, sense inventor, master of the lore. People who can invent reality are the mini-demiurge. Like, for xample whoever created the mythology of batman is there at that level.

Think of lovecraft, he build the mythology of these ancient horrors. Or tolkien too.

Matrix the movie is also myth author stuff, it taught normies the logic of false opposites and the invertible system with obstruction of red vs blue, its like someone taught them goetia left hand path vs right hand path. This is serious shit.

But theres various levels I think. Also im not really expert on dannunzio I just read his stuff bout superuomo