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I got most of my lifetime slays during a time period when I was 6'4, 210lbs with roid delts and had an underbite on a skeletal level masked by orthodontics
I was still referred to as goodlooking by people at this time but had a few facial features outside of the ideal in terms of having a narrow palate and excessively long chin and maxillary recession.
When I got most of my slays during this time period, I slayed girls who were either overweight or were slim / average weight with MTB faces, I was consistently rated as HTN at this time before ratings lost all real world meaning
During this time guys would occasionally take the piss out of me if they saw an opportunity to do so in front of their mates to try lower my value to increase theirs
I am also certain that some guys on the street would smirk at me when they seen me as if they were laughing at me to themselves
My experience after fixing my failos with jaw surgery was different with both foids and males
I had my maxilla advanced, palate expanded and my chin is now more projected and more square rather than elongated
My bodyweight has been between 175-205lbs post surgery when I've gone clubbing, we will give it an average of 190lbs which is still fairly imposing on a tall ecto frame with decent delts
I noticed that the types of girls I used to slay are now rude to me or show 0 enthusiasm when I approach them, especially overweight foids.
They used to act flattered when I approached them now they act like they are simply tolerating me and intentionally trying to be as rude as they can get away with like they're enacting some revenge fantasy on me to take me down a peg.
The girls I used to slay are now way less responsive, and while I get more looks in public from better looking girls who previously would've seen me as invisible and I actually receive more enthusiasm initially when I approach goodlooking girls than I do from less attractive girls, it hasn't translated to a single result with GL girls because getting your foot in the door with your looks when it comes to HTB+ is meaningless because their requirements for things like social status and certain NT behaviours are on another level compared average and below average looking foids (Location: North & West Europe)
With regards to men, the instances of men trying to mock me or take the piss out of me has dropped to zero and the singular case of a guy being any way aggressive with me post surgery was on my very first night out post surgery when I was in my skinniest, least gymcelled state and some guy was staring at me in the club while I was chatting to a guy he knew so I asked the guy who was staring at me if he was okay and he responded angrily so I asked the other guy what's up with him and he talked him around to dropping the agro as he was obviously no physical threat.
Post surgery there's been no smirking from other men when they look at me and no challenges or attempts to mog me.
This is while being 20lbs less physically imposing than my peak on roids.
While people often talk about how face gets results from women while body gets respect from men, my experience has been close to the opposite
As my face became more competent looking with less flaws, men's respect for me increased notably
As my face became better looking, the average woman (who I mog) became more threatened by me and started acting hostile towards me, while goodlooking foids just view me as someone to interact with briefly until they realize I don't have the brain of a cocky NT which most guys in my position would have
Larger body, more facial flaws: Women were more receptive, less respect from men
Less body mass, less facial flaws: Women less receptive in totality with less slaying results secured, more respect from men
I was still referred to as goodlooking by people at this time but had a few facial features outside of the ideal in terms of having a narrow palate and excessively long chin and maxillary recession.
When I got most of my slays during this time period, I slayed girls who were either overweight or were slim / average weight with MTB faces, I was consistently rated as HTN at this time before ratings lost all real world meaning
During this time guys would occasionally take the piss out of me if they saw an opportunity to do so in front of their mates to try lower my value to increase theirs
I am also certain that some guys on the street would smirk at me when they seen me as if they were laughing at me to themselves
My experience after fixing my failos with jaw surgery was different with both foids and males
I had my maxilla advanced, palate expanded and my chin is now more projected and more square rather than elongated
My bodyweight has been between 175-205lbs post surgery when I've gone clubbing, we will give it an average of 190lbs which is still fairly imposing on a tall ecto frame with decent delts
I noticed that the types of girls I used to slay are now rude to me or show 0 enthusiasm when I approach them, especially overweight foids.
They used to act flattered when I approached them now they act like they are simply tolerating me and intentionally trying to be as rude as they can get away with like they're enacting some revenge fantasy on me to take me down a peg.
The girls I used to slay are now way less responsive, and while I get more looks in public from better looking girls who previously would've seen me as invisible and I actually receive more enthusiasm initially when I approach goodlooking girls than I do from less attractive girls, it hasn't translated to a single result with GL girls because getting your foot in the door with your looks when it comes to HTB+ is meaningless because their requirements for things like social status and certain NT behaviours are on another level compared average and below average looking foids (Location: North & West Europe)
With regards to men, the instances of men trying to mock me or take the piss out of me has dropped to zero and the singular case of a guy being any way aggressive with me post surgery was on my very first night out post surgery when I was in my skinniest, least gymcelled state and some guy was staring at me in the club while I was chatting to a guy he knew so I asked the guy who was staring at me if he was okay and he responded angrily so I asked the other guy what's up with him and he talked him around to dropping the agro as he was obviously no physical threat.
Post surgery there's been no smirking from other men when they look at me and no challenges or attempts to mog me.
This is while being 20lbs less physically imposing than my peak on roids.
While people often talk about how face gets results from women while body gets respect from men, my experience has been close to the opposite
As my face became more competent looking with less flaws, men's respect for me increased notably
As my face became better looking, the average woman (who I mog) became more threatened by me and started acting hostile towards me, while goodlooking foids just view me as someone to interact with briefly until they realize I don't have the brain of a cocky NT which most guys in my position would have
Larger body, more facial flaws: Women were more receptive, less respect from men
Less body mass, less facial flaws: Women less receptive in totality with less slaying results secured, more respect from men
