There's a huge problem with tribalism and "identity" as a whole

[VladislavDeGeso]

Essentially, viewing yourself as a member of groups.
Race, country, politics, even friends and family. Anything you tie to your identity.
All it does it hold you back. Think of that common quote among depressed normies. The idea of being suicidal, but dissuaded because you don't want to hurt your family.

I bring up tribes and identity, but it's really your humanity you need to discard entirely. It gives you unlimited freedom. You don't attach yourself to ideals you don't truly care for anymore.
Think of NEETdom and the communities here. NEETdom is the most logical choice to take, conserving as much energy/resources as possible. There are some cases where work is necessary yes, but most people can live off of their parents, yet don't, not due to any genuine passion, but societal pressures and fear of being a burden.
This isn't exclusive to normies. Even among outcasts. A lot of beliefs are held here purely because people want to be part of the group. A lot of the nonsensical views espoused on .org, I doubt many people actually believe them. They just like feeling part of a group, even if it is one as outcasted. Perhaps that's part of the appeal, since the views are so extreme that by default you are part of a group for having those views, or since they've been outcasted from normie society they can't integrate with them.
I've made this point before. It's ironic to me that a lot of the PSLsphere hates normies... while essentnially being failed normies themselves. Their behavior is the exact same.
Most users post the exact same recycled content, have the same opinions, the same recycled typing style, the vast majority of people wouldn't be recognizable by personality alone except for the absolute laughing stock jokes.
The superiority complex about believing in the blackpill (aka, looks being law) which is really just water and completely obvious is much like normies thinking they're being groundbreaking and fighting the establishment by supporting black lives matter or claiming to want to kill pedophiles. All trite.
One more thing I noticed, a lot of people shape their entire reactions based off of how they think they're "supposed" to react as a member of a certain identity group. Ever think it's weird how similar people of certain groups are (eg, gays all having similar voices, anyone who has lived around east Asian Americans can tell you how they all have the exact same interest in mobile games and sense of humor, and this holds up in areas with even few east Asians). Sure, you can say part of it is genetic, but a lot of it is them viewing themselves as a member x group, so only doing what a member x group would do. This can be tied to a variety of things that I'll get into in more detail a little later.

The point I'm getting to is that this runs so deep in society and humanity. Ultimately, everything we discuss about morality is connected to tribalism and identity. We deem certain groups as close to us, pure, righteous, "good", and certain groups as bad, "evil", the enemy. Then we justify violence against these groups, even claim it's moral: the example I brought up earlier of normies wanting to kill pedophiles and whatnot. Yet there's no real benefit gained from wishing harm against a group. It simply creates more suffering in the world. The objective should be to simply eliminate whatever causes the original suffering. But of course, that's not what people are looking for. They want an excuse to take out their violent urges while feeling "right". This is another form of it: it's what society and their identities have told them their entire lives, that this is wrong, and they limit themselves because of it. They want to fit their image of a "good person" and distort the truth for it, but what value is there in that?
If you want to be truly free, if you want to let go of yourself, you need to let go of those identities. Forget about yourself as anything, white, black, incel, male, NEET, whatever. Live only for yourself.
Forget all the pressures that hold you back. About your parents expectations, societies expectations, your peers expectations. The truth is that life is struggle and competition inherently. Any grain of food you eat, is a grain that someone else could not eat. Every sip of water you take is a sip that someone else did not drink. Any single cent that you make is a cent taken from someone else.
Besides, it should be fairly obvious. It's your life. You live entirely through your own perception. Forget anything that exists outside of that.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

They are oversocialized. They have a constant need for group approval and base their views on the consensus. Any attempt to think or feel outside the socially accepted framework imposes a severe burden. Think something in the vain of minimal group paradigm, where they investigate the conditions for what is required for discrimination to occur.

 

[VladislavDeGeso]

They are oversocialized. They have a constant need for group approval and base their views on the consensus. Any attempt to think or feel outside the socially accepted framework imposes a severe burden. Think something in the vain of minimal group paradigm, where they investigate the conditions for what is required for discrimination to occur.

It's not just socially accepted but whatever group you view yourself as part of. Not only that but having a connection to anyone or anything, family, race, ideology banners, self identities... etc. You need to abandon all of that.

 

[PointOfNoReturn]

It's not just socially accepted but whatever group you view yourself as part of. Not only that but having a connection to anyone or anything, family, race, ideology banners, self identities... etc. You need to abandon all of that.

Most people look out for themselves anyway, they only have their interests in mind.

 

[VladislavDeGeso]

@Postman

 

[menaquinone]

as if you could willingly hide behind a veil of ignorance. normie identity is subsumptive, nothing can be bracketed in the way you're describing -- nonconformism is just conformity in the other direction, it's the same howler as purporting that "all people are equal" against the claim that people are mindless, glassy-eyed automata. but i agree, tribalism is no better than cattle-branding, each in-group has its own host of contradictions no better than the other. even lookist phraseology tries to veil this fact, unfortunately...

 

[Muttcel Foid Killer]

Essentially, viewing yourself as a member of groups.
Race, country, politics, even friends and family. Anything you tie to your identity.
All it does it hold you back. Think of that common quote among depressed normies. The idea of being suicidal, but dissuaded because you don't want to hurt your family.

I bring up tribes and identity, but it's really your humanity you need to discard entirely. It gives you unlimited freedom. You don't attach yourself to ideals you don't truly care for anymore.
Think of NEETdom and the communities here. NEETdom is the most logical choice to take, conserving as much energy/resources as possible. There are some cases where work is necessary yes, but most people can live off of their parents, yet don't, not due to any genuine passion, but societal pressures and fear of being a burden.
This isn't exclusive to normies. Even among outcasts. A lot of beliefs are held here purely because people want to be part of the group. A lot of the nonsensical views espoused on .org, I doubt many people actually believe them. They just like feeling part of a group, even if it is one as outcasted. Perhaps that's part of the appeal, since the views are so extreme that by default you are part of a group for having those views, or since they've been outcasted from normie society they can't integrate with them.
I've made this point before. It's ironic to me that a lot of the PSLsphere hates normies... while essentnially being failed normies themselves. Their behavior is the exact same.
Most users post the exact same recycled content, have the same opinions, the same recycled typing style, the vast majority of people wouldn't be recognizable by personality alone except for the absolute laughing stock jokes.
The superiority complex about believing in the blackpill (aka, looks being law) which is really just water and completely obvious is much like normies thinking they're being groundbreaking and fighting the establishment by supporting black lives matter or claiming to want to kill pedophiles. All trite.
One more thing I noticed, a lot of people shape their entire reactions based off of how they think they're "supposed" to react as a member of a certain identity group. Ever think it's weird how similar people of certain groups are (eg, gays all having similar voices, anyone who has lived around east Asian Americans can tell you how they all have the exact same interest in mobile games and sense of humor, and this holds up in areas with even few east Asians). Sure, you can say part of it is genetic, but a lot of it is them viewing themselves as a member x group, so only doing what a member x group would do. This can be tied to a variety of things that I'll get into in more detail a little later.

The point I'm getting to is that this runs so deep in society and humanity. Ultimately, everything we discuss about morality is connected to tribalism and identity. We deem certain groups as close to us, pure, righteous, "good", and certain groups as bad, "evil", the enemy. Then we justify violence against these groups, even claim it's moral: the example I brought up earlier of normies wanting to kill pedophiles and whatnot. Yet there's no real benefit gained from wishing harm against a group. It simply creates more suffering in the world. The objective should be to simply eliminate whatever causes the original suffering. But of course, that's not what people are looking for. They want an excuse to take out their violent urges while feeling "right". This is another form of it: it's what society and their identities have told them their entire lives, that this is wrong, and they limit themselves because of it. They want to fit their image of a "good person" and distort the truth for it, but what value is there in that?
If you want to be truly free, if you want to let go of yourself, you need to let go of those identities. Forget about yourself as anything, white, black, incel, male, NEET, whatever. Live only for yourself.
Forget all the pressures that hold you back. About your parents expectations, societies expectations, your peers expectations. The truth is that life is struggle and competition inherently. Any grain of food you eat, is a grain that someone else could not eat. Every sip of water you take is a sip that someone else did not drink. Any single cent that you make is a cent taken from someone else.
Besides, it should be fairly obvious. It's your life. You live entirely through your own perception. Forget anything that exists outside of that.

high iq post

 

[GGWP]

you need to let go of those identities.

In letting go of those group identities you just replace them with another.

There is no such thing as an unbiased viewpoint in this world, every aspect of your thought is weighted with anthropocentric bias, any attempt to relinquish one bias simply confers another unto you. You are trading one group for a smaller group, but not the smallest. An organism can never be separated from its environment. In pure terms, we are gradients. The behavioral patterns that societies adopt are not arbitrary, they are stable evolutionary strategies that manifest overtime for mutual survival. The only reason you view conformity as a negative is because you are most likely unable to conform, and this is a common mind trap that the fringe of society fall into, which is to idolize 'free-thinking' as if they ever had another option but to diverge from conformity due to environmetnal trends, and really this is erroneous as everybody is a 'free thinker', it's just that (like everybody else) you value people with similar markers of genetic closeness, including their ideologues, and so eschew the distant 'conformists' and admire 'non-conformists' who are really just people that think similarly to you thus denoting genetic closeness.

The concept of 'normie' is exceptionally stupid, in my opinion. No two people are the same, it's just that generally speaking people tend to band together for mutual benefit because it is easier and more sensible for them to do so. It is much easier to kill a tiger in a group than alone. It only becomes a negative when this system of cooperation is undermined by bad actors.

Life is not 'only suffering' or 'only competition', you see this is a bias many people pick up, especially fringe or socially mal-adapted, because these people are unable to fulfil their inherited base impulse of resource accumulation and breeding, and even the desire to be 'non-conforming' stems from the initial strategy of conformity not working for them, so they worship this percieved nonconformity in order to affirm to themselves a notion of environmental fitness. There is such a thing as a symbiotic relationship that does not require suffering of any parties and it is practiced regularly in nature. They laud this trait of non-conformity because in high-trust environments undermining the system by being a 'free-thinker' or 'low-trust' would enable them to jape 'normies' and gain resources or breeding opportunities through undermining the base rules that allow a society to be harmonious that people opt to conform to 'like sheep' because it actually is far better for them to do so.

The reason most people feel 'right' in attacking and denouncing pedophiles is that pedophilia as a trait simply does not build a cooperative, high-trust society. Pedophilia is biologically damaging, neurologically damaging, a prime vector of communicable disease (especially parasites) and biologically taxing; the huge selection pressure put on pedophiles in the past due to the innate disgust many humans have for them has actually worked to the advantage of pedophiles by making them necessarily more wily and secretive which is why our topmost echelons of society are chock full of them. 'Normal' people were well adjusted and never felt the need to create esoteric cults of secretive brotherhood or gargantuan hidden networks to filter the moral from the pederast. Degenerates have far more to lose when exposed and their genes adapt appropriately over generations, which is why 'intellectuals' and 'degenerates' have such a massive overlap. This is the root of Satanism which is the worship of this selection pressure nudging 'free thinkers' into existence via ardent necessity of avoiding strict condemnation for eating 'forbidden fruits'.

In my opinion our current tribal identity is actually a very good thing. I would rather live in a society of benevolent conformists as opposed to backstabbing 'free-thinkers' that are so adamant in estranging themselves from uniting laws that society cannot even bear fruit in the first place. We owe everything to the fact that we as a species banded together and engaged in mutual respect and mirror behaviours, commerce and communications; this should not be nullified simply because one misfit or another cannot satisfy his infinite breeding or resource accumulation fantasies in a great era of subversion. Tribalism and identity are far from being problems, they are great unifying forces that allow us to have such things as the internet, fresh food and warm clothes. If we were all 'free-thinkers', none of the glorious novelties of life we are able to experience would have came to fruition. Actually, the only reason us fringe outcasts are able to exist at all is through the benevolence of conformists and their tendency to distribute resources with relative clemency, I for one am exceptionally grateful for all of the people in my life and for the condition of the society I occupt for this exact reason.

Whomsoever said that a life only constitutes one subjective experience? We are all interminably linked. If we require modern conveniences and cherish them, we must necessarily show gratitude, clemency and conformity, as if everybody was a non-conformist solipsist, the great conveniences of our modern age could not have been fostered and the entire system collapses.