Discussion Went to church first time

[Myst]

Churches aren't supposed to have cinemas.

Wtf is wrong with you. Don't your you know that shit is retarded? Those people are completely brainwashed

You are LGBT. Straight dudes don't have sexual relationships with other dudes for 4 years. You are gay and you hate yourself. Stop this bullshit.

I disagree with mega-churches and evangelism and those kinds of people, but places of worship are houses of god, I don't see why you can't have halal/kosher/permissible fun there so long as it does not distract you or others from worship, you can always set designated times for fun events at your place of worship as it brings the community even closer. Whether it be games, wrestling, intellectual discussion, etc.

As for the LGBT part:

I can understand your frustrations around this contentious topic, and this is what i have to say about it.

you’ve probably heard this, but being gay in and of itself doesn’t contradict being muslim. you probably know also that sex outside of marriage is not allowed, and that marriage constitutes of an official union between 2 consenting people, a man and a woman. homosexual marriages are not recognized, therefore homosexual sex is considered sex outside of marriage, which is a sin. So what does this mean?

Acting on the desire ie having homosexual intercourse also doesn’t contradict you being muslim. it is a sin, and sinning does not take you out of the fold of Islam. Refusing God as God takes you out of Islam, which you can remember by repenting and again recognizing God as God.

There are do’s and and don’t in Islam, but that is the second priority of the religion. the first priority is faith; who is God, why do you worship him, who is the prophet, how do we follow and love him, what’s his role in our salvation.

after that, the rules are applied with the principle that everything is allowed unless explicitly stated impermissible. this is especially true when it comes to our needs. sex is permissible, and it’s a need, and it’s actually an encouraged practice unlike christianity - but it is explicitly stated that it’s between husband and wife. Islam is a system that ensures our human needs are are met, without overstepping into our ego’s desires which kills our sense of empathy for those around us.

breaking those rules entails repentance and having a plan on how to break out of the bad habit and having the intention to stop. Muslims have to assume they are forgiven every time they seek forgiveness. They HAVE to believe God is merciful and forgiving, as stated in the Quran.

I think our society insists that we must not feel shame for being immoral, which includes sex outside of marriage (hence, gay = pride). this is why it makes it difficult for gay people to accept that in Islam, we must see our sins as sins and feel (good) shame and want to change ourselves for the good. this doesn’t contradict “being yourself” etc, it actually ensures you are yourself in the most wholesome way. (if you’re wondering, bad shame is when it makes you break yourself down instead of building yourself up.)

i think what you can focus on if you want to become muslim or start practicing seriously, after learning about faith like i said, is asking yourself if you’re willing to look at sex outside of marriage as a sin, and something to actively intend to cease. even if you end up falling for the temptation over and over until you die, if your intention is, “this is a sin and im trying to stop” you have to know that God will forgive you because that is repentance and humility. This may sound contradictory, but the intention you have towards sex outside of marriage, seeing it as a sin is what makes it or breaks it for you, not the action in and of itself.

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Thoughts?

 

[Postman]

@Postman @burn @Tabula Rasa @n9wiff @PointOfNoReturn

Thoughts?

Most of this is in like with orthodox christianity

I'm moving away from protestantism into orthodoxy

There's a few anecdotes but yeah this is in line with orthodoxy

Father seraphim rose, identified as gay pre conversion. Of course after that he became a monk

Theres a story where St Paisos counsels a young man struggling with homosexuality. Says the same thing to him ad you did basically

In Calvinsim. I might be straw manning them but they'd probably say if you have same sex attraction you're under control by Satan or something

My baptismal saint is gonna be saint Mary of Egypt

Like me lived in sexual immortality her whole life before conversion

Then wandered rhe desert for years

End of her life. Hagiography says she could perform miracles

 

[Xuelian Baijie]

A fancy evangelist church with basically a cinema

Alot of speaking in tongues

Pastor didn't cuck and said God save us from lgbt and abortion lol

Overall felt good

Tongues? I thought that was only Pentacostals

First church? Arent you already christian? So you only went to Cathedrals?

 

[burn]

Do you have any familial trauma related to religion? and what do you think prevents you from believing in a god, let alone religion?

I pretty much told it all here, the biggest pos ppl ive met irl and had to deal with were extremely religious, also the rules itself are beyond dumb, i lived my whole life into a muslim town hell on earth, at least christians accept if u have different opinions, muslims tho good lord i dont wanna talk bout them, nr1 most toxic ppl on earth i regret wasting my time tryna be a good muslim

 

[𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖊𝖛𝖎𝖑]

permissible fun

That's an oxymoron. You don't know what fun is.

As for the LGBT part:

I'm not homophobic. I don't have a problem with him being gay.

 

[Myst]

That's an oxymoron. You don't know what fun is.

I'm not homophobic. I don't have a problem with him being gay.

Doing drugs and fornicating isn't fun, literally everything except for zina (fornication and adultery), harmful substances, hurting others, etc. is permissible.

I never said you were homophobic bhai, I'm just clarifying.

 

[Myst]

I pretty much told it all here, the biggest pos ppl ive met irl and had to deal with were extremely religious, also the rules itself are beyond dumb, i lived my whole life into a muslim town hell on earth, at least christians accept if u have different opinions, muslims tho good lord i dont wanna talk bout them, nr1 most toxic ppl on earth i regret wasting my time tryna be a good muslim

Would you be okay with going into detail?

 

[Myst]

Most of this is in like with orthodox christianity

I'm moving away from protestantism into orthodoxy

There's a few anecdotes but yeah this is in line with orthodoxy

Father seraphim rose, identified as gay pre conversion. Of course after that he became a monk

Theres a story where St Paisos counsels a young man struggling with homosexuality. Says the same thing to him ad you did basically

In Calvinsim. I might be straw manning them but they'd probably say if you have same sex attraction you're under control by Satan or something

My baptismal saint is gonna be saint Mary of Egypt

Like me lived in sexual immortality her whole life before conversion

Then wandered rhe desert for years

End of her life. Hagiography says she could perform miracles

Interesting, I myself am mostly straight but am slightly attracted to femboys, still tho, I'm almost purely attracted to women.

I'm curious to know, do you call upon saints for help in orthodoxy?

 

[Postman]

Interesting, I myself am mostly straight but am slightly attracted to femboys, still tho, I'm almost purely attracted to women.

I'm curious to know, do you call upon saints for help in orthodoxy?

You ask for intercession/them to pray for you but yeah

 

[𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕯𝖊𝖛𝖎𝖑]

Doing drugs and fornicating isn't fun

Drugs are fun. That's why people use drugs. And why wouldn't fucking without being married not be fun?

hurting others,

That's not cool behavior

 

[Myst]

Drugs are fun. That's why people use drugs. And why wouldn't fucking without being married not be fun?

Drugs are fun short-term but the vast majority of them harm you one way or another so it's best to stay away from intoxicants altogether, same thing with fornication.

That's not cool behavior

Wdym? I said it wasn't okay.

 

[クーロ]

All discussions around religion are a waste of time

Good luck on your spiritual journey Mr. @Postman but I would recommend you share your progress in private chats. Anyone who mentions religion here is effectively ragebaiting lmao. God bless regardless