Why doesnt Magonia acknowledge that native Americans are Mongoloid like east asians

[MelaninWarlord]

@The Patriarchy why don't you acknowledge that native Americans are the same race as east asians ?
It's not chicom propaganda

The results support the general view that the ancestry of the American Indian is predominantly Mongoloid.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707617698

https://karger.com/hhe/article-abstract/28/5/380/158623/Genetic-Distance-between-the-American-Indians-and?redirectedFrom=PDF

https://www.quora.com/Were-the-natives-of-North-and-South-America-from-Mongoloid-origin?ch=10&oid=214636080&share=fd6a0c3a&srid=hISTh4&target_type=question

Come on man it's basic anthropology that anyone can just google .

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Y chromosomal DNA polymorphisms were used to investigate Pleistocene male migrations to the American continent. In a worldwide sample of 306 men, we obtained 32 haplotypes constructed with the variation found in 30 distinct polymorphic sites. The major Y haplotype present in most Native Americans was traced back to recent ancestors common with Siberians, namely, the Kets and Altaians from the Yenissey River Basin and Altai Mountains, respectively. Going further back, the next common ancestor gave rise also to Caucasoid Y chromosomes, probably from the central Eurasian region. This study, therefore, suggests a predominantly central Siberian origin for Native American paternal lineages for those who could have migrated to the Americas during the Upper Pleistocene.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Also You can just see how they (native Americans) are relatively hairless like Asians are and have thick scalp hair.

@Asgard @The Patriarchy

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Native Americans share common genetic ancestry with East Asians (Derenko et al., 2010; Tamm et al., 2007), diverging before ~15 kya (

 

[The Patriarchy]

It's literally Chicom propaganda. Chicom is sharing this to tell NA that they are Chinese. I never seen you care about anything more than to further the CCP agenda

 

[MelaninWarlord]

It's literally Chicom propaganda. Chicom is sharing this to tell NA that they are Chinese. I never seen you care about anything more than to further the CCP agenda

My mums from Vietnam and my dad is from China but he lives near the Taiwan area, how can I care about the CCP when I'm overseas all my life?

But my point is that anyone with a clear vision can see the similarities of the native Americans to Asians.

And there's a land bridge between Siberia (North Asia) and Alaska and Canada that is confirmed where homo sapiens crossed, before sea levels rose and the land bridge disappeared.

So evidence is there, but you just want to further American supremacy

 

[The Patriarchy]

My mums from Vietnam and my dad is from China but he lives near the Taiwan area, how can I care about the CCP when I'm overseas all my life?

But my point is that anyone with a clear vision can see the similarities of the native Americans to Asians.

And there's a land bridge between Siberia (North Asia) and Alaska and Canada that is confirmed where homo sapiens crossed, before sea levels rose and the land bridge disappeared.

So evidence is there, but you just want to further American supremacy

You are conditioned to racial solidarity. China is an ethno state. You align with china not veitnam.

I never said there arent similar. you said they are asian. I see they have similaries to other races too they can be what they want to be without chicoms pigeonholing them into being chinese

We already discussed the land bridge.

Races quickly become distinct when they live in certain climates. I velieve i can tell the difference between a white american, a white latino and a European now multiply this by a million years you may as well start calling everyone niggers because out of africa theory

 

[MelaninWarlord]

You are conditioned to racial solidarity. China is an ethno state. You align with china not veitnam.

I never said there arent similar. you said they are asian. I see they have similaries to other races too they can be what they want to be without chicoms pigeonholing them into being chinese

We already discussed the land bridge.

Races quickly become distinct when they live in certain climates. I velieve i can tell the difference between a white american, a white latino and a European now multiply this by a million years you may as well start calling everyone niggers because out of africa theory

Well I want to clarify I meant that they were mongoloid as in their bone structure was mongoloid.

Sort of like how Indians are caucasoid because of their bone structure. Because Indians look similar to whites just different colouring.

Native Americans have higher nose bridges and bigger eyes so I guess that makes them look similar to Europeans.

But when they arrived in the Americas I guess they were still living a hunter gatherer life , which makes them look more robust and healthy,

rather than Asians who are famine adapted from agriculture.

 

[The Patriarchy]

Well I want to clarify I meant that they were mongoloid as in their bone structure was mongoloid.

Sort of like how Indians are caucasoid because of their bone structure. Because Indians look similar to whites just different colouring.

Native Americans have higher nose bridges and bigger eyes so I guess that makes them look similar to Europeans.

But when they arrived in the Americas I guess they were still living a hunter gatherer life , which makes them look more robust and healthy,

rather than Asians who are famine adapted from agriculture.

I think you can skew native americans to look like any non native american race. Many times I think they are white because they dont all look the way the msm wants you to think which is basically Sitting Bull but native americans are very different from each other and I often think they are white. I was talking to a native american chick once surprised that she was native american. She told me that most Native americans anent Navajos which she said look like mexicans.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

I think you can skew native americans to look like any non native american race. Many times I think they are white because they dont all look the way the msm wants you to think which is basically Sitting Bull but native americans are very different from each other and I often think they are white. I was talking to a native american chick once surprised that she was native american. She told me that most Native americans anent Navajos which she said look like mexicans.

But aren't they looking white because a lot of native Americans are mixed now from interracial kids ?

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Abos in Australia also have a lot of people mixed with whites, which i suppose is like the American story

 

[The Patriarchy]

But aren't they looking white because a lot of native Americans are mixed now from interracial kids ?

theres that too but im learning the different distinct native americans look very different. Its indicated in the image but I think the image was created to prove how they are similar to asians maybe.

Look at this photo of sitting bull. You think hes the most asian man you ever seen?

 

[MelaninWarlord]

theres that too but im learning the different distinct native americans look very different. Its indicated in the image but I think the image was created to prove how they are similar to asians maybe.

Look at this photo of sitting bull. You think hes the most asian man you ever seen?

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The guy sitting down doesn't have facial hair and he has thick straight hair , long as well.

The other features like the nose and eyes brow ridge looks more like a European,

but I've read that they had north Eurasian DNA
(Which is different from east Eurasian DNA)

In that North Eurasian DNA it was more close to the west Eurasian DNA before? a split off. So that where the European looks comes from.

What I mean is the Jomon In Japan looks slightly more European as they had this north Eurasian DNA, and were in Japan before the Immigration of the more Korean looking yoyoi.

 

[The Patriarchy]

The guy sitting down doesn't have facial hair and he has thick straight hair , long as well.

The other features like the nose and eyes brow ridge looks more like a European,

but I've read that they had north Eurasian DNA
(Which is different from east Eurasian DNA)

In that North Eurasian DNA it was more close to the west Eurasian DNA before? a split off. So that where the European looks comes from.

What I mean is the Jomon In Japan looks slightly more European as they had this north Eurasian DNA, and were in Japan before the Immigration of the more Korean looking yoyoi.

When the whites first came to china they never seen noses so big. They would have the same opinion of some native american noses which I describe as romanesque. Yes when I am identifying natives i start with the hair which is dark and thick.. thick they are the thick straight black hair race but asians maybe dont have hair like this,, maybe near alsaka they do. next i look at skin color. I look for a strange red hint. Other Natives have like a pale sick yellow olive color.

 

[The Patriarchy]

Look at the beak on this china man. Thats sitting bull. Whenever americans think of NA we think of him

 

[MelaninWarlord]

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Look at the beak on this china man. Thats sitting bull. Whenever americans think of NA we think of him

When the whites first came to china they never seen noses so big. They would have the same opinion of some native american noses which I describe as romanesque. Yes when I am identifying natives i start with the hair which is dark and thick.. thick they are the thick straight black hair race but asians maybe dont have hair like this,, maybe near alsaka they do. next i look at skin color. I look for a strange red hint. Other Natives have like a pale sick yellow olive color.

Native Americans are genetically and anthropologically more similar to East Asians (including Chinese populations) than to South Asians (Indians from the Indian subcontinent).

Here's a breakdown of the evidence:
Genetic evidence
The overwhelming majority of Native American ancestry traces back to a single founding population that migrated from Siberia/Northeast Asia across the Bering land bridge (Beringia) around 15,000–25,000 years ago.

This founding population was closely related to ancient and modern East Asian/Siberian groups, particularly those from the Amur River region, the Altai Mountains, and modern-day Northeast Asian populations (including Mongolians, Siberians, and some northern Chinese groups).

Modern genetic studies consistently show that Native Americans share the highest genetic affinity with East Asian populations (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, and some Siberian groups) rather than South Asians.

South Asians (Indians) have a very different genetic profile: they are primarily a mix of ancient Iranian-related farmer ancestry, South Asian hunter-gatherer ancestry (AASI), and Steppe ancestry (from Indo-European migrations)

. This is completely distinct from the East Asian-related ancestry of Native Americans.
Key studies

A 2018 study in Nature (Raghavan et al.) and a 2021 study in Cell (Ning et al.) showed that Native Americans are most closely related to ancient Siberian populations and modern East Asians.

The closest living relatives to Native Americans are often groups like the Evenks, Kets, Nganasans, and other Siberian peoples, followed by Mongolians and northern Chinese populations.

South Asian populations do not share the same "Ancient North Eurasian" (ANE) ancestry component that links Native Americans with East Asians and Europeans to a lesser extent.

Physical anthropology
Native Americans and East Asians share several traits, such as high cheekbones, shovel-shaped incisors, epicanthic folds, and certain dental patterns, which are much less common in South Asian populations.

Linguistic and archaeological evidence
No linguistic connection exists between Native American languages and South Asian languages, while some hypotheses (though controversial) have proposed distant links between Siberian/East Asian languages and Native American language families.

In summary:

Native Americans are genetically, ancestrally, and phenotypically much closer to East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, etc.) than to South Asians (Indians).

The connection to China specifically is not as close as to Siberian or Mongolian groups, but still far closer than to India.

So the answer is: Native Americans are more similar to Chinese (and other East Asians) than to Indians from Asia.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

From Grok lol

 

[The Patriarchy]

This is not a competition of who is the nearest prehistoric relative

Its about if native americans are unique enough to identify as they want without chicoms trying to tell them they must accept their asian heritage

 

[MelaninWarlord]

This is not a competition of who is the nearest prehistoric relative

Its about if native americans are unique enough to identify as they want without chicoms trying to tell them they must accept their asian heritage

When did the internet information come from a Chinese person??

This is publicly available information from science websites and Wikipedia and many other sources. Any race of person can read through it.

SO you would only believe me if a white person said it? Cos I can just browse other forums by master and there are other white users who have mentioned it.

 

[MelaninWarlord]

This is not a competition of who is the nearest prehistoric relative

Its about if native americans are unique enough to identify as they want without chicoms trying to tell them they must accept their asian heritage

Mongoloid doesnt mean Asian

Its the bone structure not the geography region

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Darwin was the one who coined these terms

Caucasoid
Mongoloid
Negroid
Australoid

 

[The Patriarchy]

This is publicly available information from science websites and Wikipedia and many other sources. Any race of person can read through it.

Yes, there is substantial evidence that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has attempted to manipulate Wikipedia through coordinated influence operations, infiltration of editor groups, and efforts to control content, particularly on sensitive political topics. This includes promoting pro-China narratives, edit warring, and threats against dissenting editors, though direct government involvement is often inferred rather than explicitly proven.

Key Evidence of Manipulation​

• Infiltration and Bans by Wikimedia: In September 2021, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) banned seven editors and revoked administrative privileges from twelve others (including four of the top ten most active admins on Chinese Wikipedia) after a year-long investigation into the Wikimedians of Mainland China (WMC), a group of about 300 members. The WMF cited "infiltration concerns," including attempts to capture control of content and administrator elections to favor China's viewpoint, recruitment of users to push "socialist values," and the use of Chinese state media as sources in articles on topics like the 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests. WMC members were also accused of threats, such as doxing, death threats, and reporting Hong Kong editors to national security authorities, prompting safety measures to protect users.
• Links to CCP and Government Aims: While the WMF did not directly accuse the Chinese government, it suggested possible ties to the CCP, describing the efforts as promoting "the aims of China" and involving "state actors" in jurisdictions where Wikipedia is blocked. Pro-CCP editors remain active on Chinese Wikipedia, influencing narratives on topics like Taiwan, Mao Zedong, and political events, often sanitizing or diluting critical content. This aligns with broader CCP information warfare strategies, including extraterritorial censorship and propaganda.
• Censorship and Alternatives: Wikipedia has been fully blocked in China since April 2019 (with earlier intermittent blocks dating back to 2004), as the CCP views it as uncontrollable and a source of unfiltered information. In response, China launched its own state-controlled encyclopedia in 2017 (later evolving into projects like Qiuwen Baike by 2021), led by the CCP's central propaganda department, where the public cannot edit content. Over 40 former Chinese Wikipedia editors joined Qiuwen Baike, further indicating efforts to create a manipulated alternative.

Counterpoints and Denials​

The WMC protested the 2021 bans as "baseless" and accused the WMF of bias, while Chinese state media like the Global Times claimed the actions were a "purge" of editors. China vetoed the WMF's observer status at the World Intellectual Property Organization in 2020 and 2021, citing "disinformation" and violations of the "one-China principle." Some discussions argue that naming conventions (e.g., "Chinese Communist Party" vs. "Communist Party of China") reflect Western propaganda rather than CCP manipulation. Additionally, broader criticisms of Wikipedia highlight biases and manipulation from various sources, not exclusively the CCP.


Recent discussions on X (formerly Twitter) also reference these incidents, confirming known cases of CCP-linked manipulation. Overall, while Wikipedia actively counters such influences through bans and neutrality policies, the CCP's strict domestic censorship and global information operations suggest ongoing attempts to shape narratives on the platform.

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations." JFK

Its litterally the chinese that want Native americans to identify as Chinese.

SO you would only believe me if a white person said it? Cos I can just browse other forums by master and there are other white users who have mentioned it.

China is a powerful psychological operation, White people have even pledged themselves to Xi Xingping in neets
Western media, hollywood, politicians and education are all subverted

No Western country is more subverted than Australia and Canada.

Mongoloid doesnt mean Asian

Native Americans and East Asians (often historically grouped under the outdated "Mongoloid" category in anthropology) share a common ancient ancestry, primarily from Siberian/Northeast Asian populations that migrated to the Americas around 15,000–25,000 years ago, with additional input from Ancient North Eurasians (a Paleolithic Siberian group with ties to both East Asians and Europeans). However, due to genetic drift, isolation, environmental adaptations, and possible minor admixtures (e.g., traces of Australasian-like ancestry in some early skeletons), Native American bone structures have diverged enough to be distinguishable from those of East Asians in forensic and anthropological analyses.

Key Differences in Craniofacial Morphology​

Studies of skulls and mandibles reveal statistically significant variations:

• Robustness and Shape: Native American skulls are often more robust, thick, and "athletic" in structure compared to the generally flatter, more gracile (slender) East Asian skulls. Some ancient Native American skeletons show traits more akin to Europeans or Western Asians than typical East Asians.
• Nasal and Orbital Features: East Asians tend to have higher frequencies of traits like angled zygomaxillary sutures, low nasal roots, nasion depressions, and lower eye borders. Native Americans show lower frequencies of these and often have more prominent noses.
• Prognathism and Chin: Native Americans typically exhibit less alveolar prognathism (forward projection of the jaws) and differences in chin shape compared to East Asians.
• Dental Patterns: While sharing some traits like shovel-shaped incisors, overall dentition shows limited similarity to certain East Asian subgroups (e.g., Jomon/Ainu Japanese).

These distinctions are used in forensics to differentiate ancestry, though there's overlap due to shared origins, and modern populations show variation from intermixing. Native Americans cluster closest to Siberians and Amur River groups among East Asians, but the divergences are measurable and unique enough for separation in skeletal classification.

Its the bone structure not the geography region

TLDR if you using mongoloid as a bone structure term its out dated and there are significant differences between mongoloid bone structure and native american

 

[MelaninWarlord]

Yes, there is substantial evidence that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has attempted to manipulate Wikipedia through coordinated influence operations, infiltration of editor groups, and efforts to control content, particularly on sensitive political topics. This includes promoting pro-China narratives, edit warring, and threats against dissenting editors, though direct government involvement is often inferred rather than explicitly proven.

Key Evidence of Manipulation​

• Infiltration and Bans by Wikimedia: In September 2021, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) banned seven editors and revoked administrative privileges from twelve others (including four of the top ten most active admins on Chinese Wikipedia) after a year-long investigation into the Wikimedians of Mainland China (WMC), a group of about 300 members. The WMF cited "infiltration concerns," including attempts to capture control of content and administrator elections to favor China's viewpoint, recruitment of users to push "socialist values," and the use of Chinese state media as sources in articles on topics like the 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests. WMC members were also accused of threats, such as doxing, death threats, and reporting Hong Kong editors to national security authorities, prompting safety measures to protect users.
• Links to CCP and Government Aims: While the WMF did not directly accuse the Chinese government, it suggested possible ties to the CCP, describing the efforts as promoting "the aims of China" and involving "state actors" in jurisdictions where Wikipedia is blocked. Pro-CCP editors remain active on Chinese Wikipedia, influencing narratives on topics like Taiwan, Mao Zedong, and political events, often sanitizing or diluting critical content. This aligns with broader CCP information warfare strategies, including extraterritorial censorship and propaganda.
• Censorship and Alternatives: Wikipedia has been fully blocked in China since April 2019 (with earlier intermittent blocks dating back to 2004), as the CCP views it as uncontrollable and a source of unfiltered information. In response, China launched its own state-controlled encyclopedia in 2017 (later evolving into projects like Qiuwen Baike by 2021), led by the CCP's central propaganda department, where the public cannot edit content. Over 40 former Chinese Wikipedia editors joined Qiuwen Baike, further indicating efforts to create a manipulated alternative.

Counterpoints and Denials​

The WMC protested the 2021 bans as "baseless" and accused the WMF of bias, while Chinese state media like the Global Times claimed the actions were a "purge" of editors. China vetoed the WMF's observer status at the World Intellectual Property Organization in 2020 and 2021, citing "disinformation" and violations of the "one-China principle." Some discussions argue that naming conventions (e.g., "Chinese Communist Party" vs. "Communist Party of China") reflect Western propaganda rather than CCP manipulation. Additionally, broader criticisms of Wikipedia highlight biases and manipulation from various sources, not exclusively the CCP.


Recent discussions on X (formerly Twitter) also reference these incidents, confirming known cases of CCP-linked manipulation. Overall, while Wikipedia actively counters such influences through bans and neutrality policies, the CCP's strict domestic censorship and global information operations suggest ongoing attempts to shape narratives on the platform.

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations." JFK

Its litterally the chinese that want Native americans to identify as Chinese.


China is a powerful psychological operation, White people have even pledged themselves to Xi Xingping in neets
Western media, hollywood, politicians and education are all subverted

No Western country is more subverted than Australia and Canada.


Native Americans and East Asians (often historically grouped under the outdated "Mongoloid" category in anthropology) share a common ancient ancestry, primarily from Siberian/Northeast Asian populations that migrated to the Americas around 15,000–25,000 years ago, with additional input from Ancient North Eurasians (a Paleolithic Siberian group with ties to both East Asians and Europeans). However, due to genetic drift, isolation, environmental adaptations, and possible minor admixtures (e.g., traces of Australasian-like ancestry in some early skeletons), Native American bone structures have diverged enough to be distinguishable from those of East Asians in forensic and anthropological analyses.

Key Differences in Craniofacial Morphology​

Studies of skulls and mandibles reveal statistically significant variations:

• Robustness and Shape: Native American skulls are often more robust, thick, and "athletic" in structure compared to the generally flatter, more gracile (slender) East Asian skulls. Some ancient Native American skeletons show traits more akin to Europeans or Western Asians than typical East Asians.
• Nasal and Orbital Features: East Asians tend to have higher frequencies of traits like angled zygomaxillary sutures, low nasal roots, nasion depressions, and lower eye borders. Native Americans show lower frequencies of these and often have more prominent noses.
• Prognathism and Chin: Native Americans typically exhibit less alveolar prognathism (forward projection of the jaws) and differences in chin shape compared to East Asians.
• Dental Patterns: While sharing some traits like shovel-shaped incisors, overall dentition shows limited similarity to certain East Asian subgroups (e.g., Jomon/Ainu Japanese).

These distinctions are used in forensics to differentiate ancestry, though there's overlap due to shared origins, and modern populations show variation from intermixing. Native Americans cluster closest to Siberians and Amur River groups among East Asians, but the divergences are measurable and unique enough for separation in skeletal classification.

TLDR if you using mongoloid as a bone structure term its out dated and there are significant differences between mongoloid bone structure and native american

Well you can argue it's like the African blacks and the Negritos in south East Asia

They have a bit of European traits but as I said that's from north Eurasian DNA

Also go south of north America like in Peru and Ecuador or even Mexico and those ones look even more like east asians. Especially Guatemala

 

[The Patriarchy]

Well you can argue it's like the African blacks and the Negritos in south East Asia

They have a bit of European traits but as I said that's from north Eurasian DNA

Also go south of north America like in Peru and Ecuador or even Mexico and those ones look even more like east asians. Especially Guatemala

We all come from something else. Yes alot of the "mongoloids" arent very mongoloid. its outdated

 

[MelaninWarlord]

We all come from something else. Yes alot of the "mongoloids" arent very mongoloid. its outdated

Then what would you say about the Indian and abo theory ?