Success Why I support mandatory male slavery and forced castration or military service

[wait whattt? :o]

Yes, the media is misrepresenting it, transwomen who tend to face stigma more than trans men usually are the ones who don't "pass" or are ugly. The ones who do pass tend to have 10x higher quality of life than transmen who pass.

Yes, but the vast majority of men can never be of high status no matter how hard they try, they will still be below women in the near future... just look at how much women are outearning men in western countries, it is a matter of time for third world countries to be next

I see where you are coming from, but I genuinely don't see how societies will shift towards a matriarchy, especially when Western societies seem to reform gender, which I feel would make it harder for a matriarchy to manifest (or at least not in the way we might typically define it).

Also, this is an interesting framing. You claim that the vast majority of men cannot achieve high status despite hard work, yet I feel that is just as applicable to many women. If I had to accept that it is easier for women to achieve high status, then the only way I can think of is through hypergamy but that further illustrates how society is actually patriarchal because that means men gatekeep the upper status of society and women's access to that level of society is THROUGH men (unless we consider women who had a stroke of luck + hard work to achieve high status which, again, more men have done this than women). I am genuinely curious, why do you think society today is estrocentric or "female-dominated"? Why do you think it will shift to a matriarchal one?

Also, on an unrelated note: how did you do this thing where you quote different sections of my message? Quite handy :D

 

[GripMaxxing]

You claim that the vast majority of men cannot achieve high status despite hard work, yet I feel that is just as applicable to many women

women are above most men in the social hierarchy still

I am genuinely curious, why do you think society today is estrocentric or "female-dominated"?

Gynocentric is the right word, and there are lists of evidence and examples of this I can tell you, but I’m just gonna tell you a couple (important ones)

1. Women are going to college and getting into STEM/white collar positions more than men now, and they are less likely to drop out. In turn? They will outearn men more

2. If women outearn men, an average man cannot hold women economic hostages anymore through marriage and the result is many men opting to check out of society and being NEET (you can look up the data, the amount of men who bitch out is rising)

Bonus: women get accepted into stem fields more now

 

[The Patriarchy]

Absolutely not. In fact, I argue otherwise. I do not think men are regulated enough. There is too much freedoms that society grants men.

Also, consider something more fundamental that is harder to address: masculinity is associated with higher status, even though this is not necessarily made explicit. Haven't you noticed how women adopting typically masculine roles and masculine-coded traits are celebrated, but the vice versa (men adopting typically feminine roles and feminine-coded traits) is actually stigmatized against?

Unfortunately for you, our societies are NOT heading towards this sort of system. Not in the slightest.

No I haven't noticed dykes on pedestals. that at all other than in niche Hollywood/elite circles. You keep the foid societally manipulative mentality when you become a dyke so you will still be good at getting attention and slander and women like masculine women. The manosphere is resistant to this and we think you are on another planet if you think we think dykes have it good because we forget that foids simp for dykes and foids spend a lot of money now.

 

[wait whattt? :o]

women are above most men in the social hierarchy still

Gynocentric is the right word, and there are lists of evidence and examples of this I can tell you, but I’m just gonna tell you a couple (important ones)

1. Women are going to college and getting into STEM/white collar positions more than men now, and they are less likely to drop out. In turn? They will outearn men more

2. If women outearn men, an average man cannot hold women economic hostages anymore through marriage and the result is many men opting to check out of society and being NEET (you can look up the data, the amount of men who bitch out is rising)

Bonus: women get accepted into stem fields more now

Ah yes, "gynocentric". Thanks. I knew "estocentric" sounded wrong XD

Anyway, that is actually true. In fact, I remember earlier reading somewhere that apparently girls, lately, have been achieving higher academic scores than boys, so there is certainly something there.
However, you need to take into account something important: for society to be matriarchal (I am under the assumption you think societies will shift into matriarchal ones which you have not yet clarified), there needs to be systemic authority BY WOMEN over men, AND subordination of men under women. It is not enough for women to outperform men academically and economically, they also need to actually hold authority over men and excise said authority.

I think we seem to agree that women are disillusioned by marriage and have shifted their focus to personal life and career but we do not seem to agree on the consequences that this might have on society.

 

[GripMaxxing]

I am under the assumption you think societies will shift into matriarchal ones which you have not yet clarified

no, it will never be matriarchal because 99% of the tip top elites are men lol. i'm just trying to emphasize the fact that most men nowadays just tend to get the short end of the stick

 

[wait whattt? :o]

No I haven't noticed dykes on pedestals. that at all other than in niche Hollywood/elite circles. You keep the foid societally manipulative mentality when you become a dyke so you will still be good at getting attention and slander and women like masculine women. The manosphere is resistant to this and we think you are on another planet if you think we think dykes have it good because we forget that foids simp for dykes and foids spend a lot of money now.

I am sorry, this is the first time I read the word "foid" and "dykes" lol
I assume "foid" refers to women here?

I just looked up "dykes" and
> offensive term for a lesbian who is noticeably masculine

Is that correct?

Anyway, I am not sure what you are saying still. Sorry, it's kind of late so I must not be functioning properly XDD

 

[wait whattt? :o]

no, it will never be matriarchal because 99% of the tip top elites are men lol. i'm just trying to emphasize the fact that most men nowadays just tend to get the short end of the stick

I have seen this in media lately, so I suppose that makes sense.

I think the fundamental issue here is that we seem to be talking from vastly different worlds. Where I am from, women are NOT at all higher in status than men, not even in the slightest. So I suppose this is why we disagreed. I am unsure, but who knows? I might've agreed with you if I lived where you are XD

 

[GripMaxxing]

I have seen this in media lately, so I suppose that makes sense.

I think the fundamental issue here is that we seem to be talking from vastly different worlds. Where I am from, women are NOT at all higher in status than men, not even in the slightest. So I suppose this is why we disagreed. I am unsure, but who knows? I might've agreed with you if I lived where you are XD

Are you from the middle east or africa? cuz those two regions are the only regions i know where men can still hold women hostage

 

[wait whattt? :o]

Are you from the middle east or africa?

Lol, yes. I hail from MENA

 

[GripMaxxing]

Lol, yes. I hail from MENA

i'm not surprised

 

[wait whattt? :o]

i'm not surprised

I unironically do not mind a matriarchal society, at least where I am from. Would be a nice change, maybe for a while.

Edit: as long as I am not a victim of it, unrealistic Ik

 

[GripMaxxing]

I unironically do not mind a matriarchal society, at least where I am from. Would be a nice change, maybe for a while.

Edit: as long as I am not a victim of it, unrealistic Ik

matriarchal societies and gynocentric societies mean two completely different things, the first one being healthy (and is very unlikely achievable in humans) and the second one being unhealthy and is the reason for a lot of social problems arising in developed countries like unchecked hypergamy

 

[wait whattt? :o]

matriarchal societies and gynocentric societies mean two completely different things, the first one being healthy (and is very unlikely achievable in humans) and the second one being unhealthy and is the reason for a lot of social problems arising in developed countries like unchecked hypergamy

It's a shame we are not like hyenas. Imagine if women were bigger and taller than us, and I am into taller women too.

Smh, it is what it is Ig

 

[The Patriarchy]

I am sorry, this is the first time I read the word "foid" and "dykes" lol
I assume "foid" refers to women here?

I just looked up "dykes" and
> offensive term for a lesbian who is noticeably masculine

Is that correct?

Anyway, I am not sure what you are saying still. Sorry, it's kind of late so I must not be functioning properly XDD

Yes. Sometimes I am difficult to understand because of my health condition or because I don't try to be understood by non native English speakers.

 

[The Patriarchy]

It's a shame we are not like hyenas. Imagine if women were bigger and taller than us, and I am into taller women too.

Smh, it is what it is Ig

How tall are you @GripMaxxing ?

Lol, yes. I hail from MENA

I was thinking you were in some weird bubble in the west where you are trained to believe what NPCs of the future believe.

 

[Schwarzwald]

What is even happening here...

 

[Schwarzwald]

Is this sincere? I am new to this site so Idk the culture here XD

Probably not the best first post to ever read on this site

Wrong, the best post to be your first one on this forum.

 

[Schwarzwald]

We did not evolve to have woman as the dominant but everyone here is welcome to have kinks.

 

[pento]

Yes, the media is misrepresenting it, transwomen who tend to face stigma more than trans men usually are the ones who don't "pass" or are ugly. The ones who do pass tend to have 10x higher quality of life than transmen who pass.

Yes, but the vast majority of men can never be of high status no matter how hard they try, they will still be below women in the near future... just look at how much women are outearning men in western countries, it is a matter of time for third world countries to be next

Why do you think women are outearning men now?
I think we live in interesting times, as both men and women don't need each other to exist.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Why do you think women are outearning men now?
I think we live in interesting times, as both men and women don't need each other to exist.

Please explain to me a time in where men "needed" woman?

It's funny how the powers that be have tricked women into thinking serving a CEO for a few pennies and a place in the rat race for what ? The idea of freedom?

 

[pento]

Please explain to me a time in where men "needed" woman?
View attachment 12606
It's funny how the powers that be have tricked women into thinking serving a CEO for a few pennies and a place in the rat race for what ? The idea of freedom?

to procreate
and they were tricked so they can attain freedom, I mean both men and women are in the wrong nowadays. If a guy decided to divorce a traditional woman, she is fucked in this economy. What is she going to do? That's what every woman is thinking and why so many of them work so hard.

 

[Schwarzwald]

to procreate
and they were tricked so they can attain freedom, I mean both men and women are in the wrong nowadays. If a guy decided to divorce a traditional woman, she is fucked in this economy. What is she going to do? That's what every woman is thinking and why so many of them work so hard.

Before the feminist infection, women weren't 'equals' men 'needed' for some mutual vibe—they were commodities, yes, traded, sold, lobotomized when they got uppity, because nature doesn't run on Frankfurt School therapy sessions or democratic fairy tales. Men 'needed' one like they need a warhorse or gold: for heirs, labor division (dimorphism is real, cope), social status, and keeping the bloodline strong. But it was ownership, pure hierarchy—vital force commanding the vessel of the species-genius (women live for reproduction and beauty in their blood, not neurotic desk copies of gay bugmen).
You think that's worse than now? Feminism 'freed' women to serve CEOs for pennies in the rat race, handed power to financiers/lawyers who pimp wives/daughters while the longhouse smothered real male vitality. Both sexes lost: men neutered into providers without command, women botched into grinds without instinct. Nature laughs—epigenetics, hormones, sexual dimorphism don't care about your 'interesting times' egalitarianism. We're animals, not blank slates.
So no, men never 'needed' women as equals—that's the modern lie. They commanded them, and society thrived on that fire. Now? Everyone's a peon in the gynocracy.

"That's what every woman is thinking and why so many of them work so hard." - pento
What makes you think you know every woman?

Here are some fun reading points that I know you won't. ( 2025-2026 reports, McKinsey, Catalyst, BLS, ILO, etc)

Women in the Workplace 2025 Meets the World Inequality Report 2026

Two major reports on gender and work dropped this week. Read separately, they tell familiar stories, but read together, they reveal something harder to ignore. The first is the 11th ...

www.inclusiongeeks.com

Women Exiting Workforce At Record Pace, New Catalyst Data Reveals Why - Work and Family Researchers Network

National survey data released by Catalyst this month reveals that caregiving pressures, including the cost of childcare, are the main drivers of women’s large-scale exodus from the U.S. labor force in 2025. The survey data helps counter the “ambition gap” narrative from the McKinsey & Co and...

wfrn.org

 

[wait whattt? :o]

was thinking you were in some weird bubble in the west where you are trained to believe what NPCs of the future believe.

LOL! Well, I am glad to have cleared up the misconception there. Had I known OP was speaking from the perspective of the West, I probably wouldn't have engaged in this post at all but here we are ig XD

 

[wait whattt? :o]

Please explain to me a time in where men "needed" woman?
View attachment 12606
It's funny how the powers that be have tricked women into thinking serving a CEO for a few pennies and a place in the rat race for what ? The idea of freedom?

Men definitely needed women during WWI and WWII when most men were drafted into the army and women had to keep factories working.

In fact, this is what essentially kickstarted the "Flapper Movement". A ton of women who donned short skirts, bobbed their hair, drank and smoked, and were relatively more promiscuous at the time.

My guess is they realized, "Wait, we can actually be more useful than they make us out to be. Fuck it, we want freedom!!!"
And I suppose that started a cascade effect that eventually got them their right. I am oversimplifying history of course (since Idk much about history than the next person) but I suppose that's one example that helps answer your question.

 

[wait whattt? :o]

Before the feminist infection, women weren't 'equals' men 'needed' for some mutual vibe—they were commodities, yes, traded, sold, lobotomized when they got uppity, because nature doesn't run on Frankfurt School therapy sessions or democratic fairy tales. Men 'needed' one like they need a warhorse or gold: for heirs, labor division (dimorphism is real, cope), social status, and keeping the bloodline strong. But it was ownership, pure hierarchy—vital force commanding the vessel of the species-genius (women live for reproduction and beauty in their blood, not neurotic desk copies of gay bugmen).
You think that's worse than now? Feminism 'freed' women to serve CEOs for pennies in the rat race, handed power to financiers/lawyers who pimp wives/daughters while the longhouse smothered real male vitality. Both sexes lost: men neutered into providers without command, women botched into grinds without instinct. Nature laughs—epigenetics, hormones, sexual dimorphism don't care about your 'interesting times' egalitarianism. We're animals, not blank slates.
So no, men never 'needed' women as equals—that's the modern lie. They commanded them, and society thrived on that fire. Now? Everyone's a peon in the gynocracy.

"That's what every woman is thinking and why so many of them work so hard." - pento
What makes you think you know every woman?

Here are some fun reading points that I know you won't. ( 2025-2026 reports, McKinsey, Catalyst, BLS, ILO, etc)

Women in the Workplace 2025 Meets the World Inequality Report 2026

Two major reports on gender and work dropped this week. Read separately, they tell familiar stories, but read together, they reveal something harder to ignore. The first is the 11th ...

www.inclusiongeeks.com

Women Exiting Workforce At Record Pace, New Catalyst Data Reveals Why - Work and Family Researchers Network

National survey data released by Catalyst this month reveals that caregiving pressures, including the cost of childcare, are the main drivers of women’s large-scale exodus from the U.S. labor force in 2025. The survey data helps counter the “ambition gap” narrative from the McKinsey & Co and...

wfrn.org

Those are very insightful pages you have linked, especially the first.

Funny enough, I was just thinking few days ago about how femininity being considered of lower status than masculinity was, in part (if not mostly), due to feminine roles such as domestic and care labor being "invisible" to society. I mean, it makes sense to me at least. Domestic and care labor is long-term, not really measurable, and not deterministic either. Society will obviously prioritize and track labor that is measurable, produces faster and predictable results, which men happen to historically occupy until recently more or less.

I can't help but feel that the article is a tad bit idealistic though XD
Like, I get where they are coming from and those are decent ideas but how do you come about executing it.
Also, it makes me wonder: should domestic and care labor continue to be a purely feminine role? Should society continue to push such labor towards women? Or should society start pushing such labor towards men as well. There are certainly men who invest in domestic and care labor, no doubt, though certainly not as much as women. IF men start investing more into such, would that also help solve the issue of undervaluing care and domestic labor? Idk the answers but those are interesting questions and I wonder if you (or anyone who cares to share) know of examples of this being attempted or being the case.

Interesting article though! :D