Success Why I support mandatory male slavery and forced castration or military service

[Schwarzwald]

Men definitely needed women during WWI and WWII when most men were drafted into the army and women had to keep factories working.

In fact, this is what essentially kickstarted the "Flapper Movement". A ton of women who donned short skirts, bobbed their hair, drank and smoked, and were relatively more promiscuous at the time.

My guess is they realized, "Wait, we can actually be more useful than they make us out to be. Fuck it, we want freedom!!!"
And I suppose that started a cascade effect that eventually got them their right. I am oversimplifying history of course (since Idk much about history than the next person) but I suppose that's one example that helps answer your question.

I'll never understand how some people can have such takes and then follow up with something like "idk much about history". Don't lump everyone together about their knowledge of history. No disrespect meant.

 

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I'll never understand how some people can have such takes and then follow up with something like "idk much about history". Don't lump everyone together about their knowledge of history. No disrespect meant.

What? But this is not a "take". I was simply answering your question about when men ever "needed" women, and I was citing an example. I said "Idk much about history" because I genuinely don't know much about history. In fact, this whole "Flapper women" tidbit I dropped was a piece of information I stumbled upon purely by chance. I literally don't even remember how I got to learn about it, and moreover, I did not even read beyond a Wikipedia page about it (which is notoriously criticized as not credible). I seriously don't know much about history XD

And don't worry, no offense taken. But again, I maintain I am not taking a position or making a claim, but simply pointing out that there is such event where men needed women.

 

[Schwarzwald]

What? But this is not a "take". I was simply answering your question about when men ever "needed" women, and I was citing an example. I said "Idk much about history" because I genuinely don't know much about history. In fact, this whole "Flapper women" tidbit I dropped was a piece of information I stumbled upon purely by chance. I literally don't even remember how I got to learn about it, and moreover, I did not even read beyond a Wikipedia page about it (which is notoriously criticized as not credible). I seriously don't know much about history XD

And don't worry, no offense taken. But again, I maintain I am not taking a position or making a claim, but simply pointing out that there is such event where men needed women.

This thread is " Why I support mandatory male slavery and forced castration or military service." Not 'nuanced debate on gender complementarity and invisible labor valuation.' You wandered into the arena where a proposed culling sub-7s/6fters so the strong can enjoy peace and beauty. You tried to 'ackshually' with factories and Wikipedia. Weak. Men needed women's output (heirs, labor, beauty) the way a commander needs soldiers—vital, but directed. Commodities, not equals. OP just flipped the script on the extras who can't compete. If you hate that mirror, good. That's the point. Take your 'idk history xd' and 'push care on men' longhouse slides somewhere else. This corner stays nuclear. Boys know where they are.

Respectfully Schwarzwald, much love.

Xoxox

 

[Schwarzwald]

women are above most men in the social hierarchy still

Gynocentric is the right word, and there are lists of evidence and examples of this I can tell you, but I’m just gonna tell you a couple (important ones)

1. Women are going to college and getting into STEM/white collar positions more than men now, and they are less likely to drop out. In turn? They will outearn men more

2. If women outearn men, an average man cannot hold women economic hostages anymore through marriage and the result is many men opting to check out of society and being NEET (you can look up the data, the amount of men who bitch out is rising)

Bonus: women get accepted into stem fields more now

gynocentric TED Talk from the OP. Women flooding college/STEM/white-collar mills? That's the longhouse bait—feminized schools reward bugman compliance, sit-still credentialism, not solar genius or raw strength. Women "out-earn" young men in some urban pockets? Cope. Overall mean/median earnings still skew male—men work more hours, take risk premiums, dominate high-variance extremes. Women spend on household/personal fluff, men on investments/cars/entertainment that build or display power. Acceleration to "female-dominated" society? It's speed-running decay—more HR bloat, feelings circles, agreeable fatties stifling innovation with process over conquest. Society gets weaker, sicker, fatter for it. Romans/Greeks knew: feminine/soft at the core = empire rot.Your mirror flips historical commodification of women onto low-status men—the extras who can't compete. Cull 'em for peace & beauty? Brutal, but might makes right. Hierarchy is nature. The strong command, the weak get culled or redirected.

And you know what in the end your half right, less feeders and eaters, full stop. The weak men and the fat worthless women are both dragging the same anchor: low vitality, high consumption, zero contribution. Fill the ranks with them and you get a society of slugs—everyone feeding off the strong while whining about "equality" and "care labor." Nature doesn't negotiate with the weak. Hence women will never be in power like that it's a fever dream of a sad feminist.

I know this shit reminded me of some dried up feminist, Julie Bindel, the dirty cunt. Go back to reading SCUM Manifesto and dreaming of a future that will never be, this world will end in nuclear fire before woman take over and we can thank the middle east for that glorious promise, Islam is right about women.

الله أكبر

Respectfully :3 xoxo

 

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This thread is " Why I support mandatory male slavery and forced castration or military service." Not 'nuanced debate on gender complementarity and invisible labor valuation.'

I don't think the thread is strictly about that. I mean, OP themselves have acknowledged this is a "troll post", so I am under the impression this is more satirical than anything as you have said: "OP just flipped the script on the extras who can't compete. If you hate that mirror, good."

I got into "gender complementarity and invisible labor valuation" because YOU linked an article that specifically talks about that. It cites the undervaluation of domestic and care labor as a reason for the "ambition gap". I was under the impression this is where you were trying to go, and so I played along with that. Besides, this still IS relevant to the post anyway. I don't see what the issue with going there.

You tried to 'ackshually' with factories and Wikipedia.

Framing aside, I am literally correct though. You asked, I answered. Mind you, I simply presented an example without actually making a claim using that example. I never presented the example and then said, "Therefore, women are equal". I simply just gave you an answer based on what I read.

Men needed women's output (heirs, labor, beauty) the way a commander needs soldiers—vital, but directed.

Okay, but where are you going with this though? Like, what exactly is the point you are making? That this is how society is ought to be? That men ought to rule over women? That women ought to subject themselves to the reign of men or that women are ought to be subordinates to men?

Also, try not to be antagonistic. We are not fighting here, we are discussing.

Edit: changed "women are ought to be subordinates to women" to "women are ought to be subordinates to men"
Sorry for the mistake and late edit :p

 

[Schwarzwald]

I don't think the thread is strictly about that. I mean, OP themselves have acknowledged this is a "troll post", so I am under the impression this is more satirical than anything as you have said: "OP just flipped the script on the extras who can't compete. If you hate that mirror, good."

I got into "gender complementarity and invisible labor valuation" because YOU linked an article that specifically talks about that. It cites the undervaluation of domestic and care labor as a reason for the "ambition gap". I was under the impression this is where you were trying to go, and so I played along with that. Besides, this still IS relevant to the post anyway. I don't see what the issue with going there.

Framing aside, I am literally correct though. You asked, I answered. Mind you, I simply presented an example without actually making a claim using that example. I never presented the example and then said, "Therefore, women are equal". I simply just gave you an answer based on what I read.

Okay, but where are you going with this though? Like, what exactly is the point you are making? That this is how society is ought to be? That men ought to rule over women? That women ought to subject themselves to the reign of men or that women are ought to be subordinates to women?

Also, try not to be antagonistic. We are not fighting here, we are discussing.

If we all know this is a troll post then what are you doing? You're going to the Renaissance fair wearing a star trek outfit , While not historically accurate and your still welcome your fucking up the vibe lol. Or like this is a play and your going off script because you think the story shouldn't have Romeo actually drink the poison ether and they both live what is even happening?

 

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If we all know this is a troll post then what are you doing? You're going to the Renaissance fair wearing a star trek outfit , While not historically accurate and your still welcome your fucking up the vibe lol. Or like this is a play and your going off script because you think the story shouldn't have Romeo actually drink the poison ether and they both live what is even happening?

>I asked OP if this is a sincere post
>OP admits it is a troll post
>OP then asks a question
>I answer
>Then it leads to a discussion between me and OP

That simple. Yes, it started off as a troll post, but that doesn't mean it cannot lead to a semi-serious discussion. You don't seem to be willing to engage anyway so let's just stop here :D

 

[Schwarzwald]

>I asked OP if this is a sincere post
>OP admits it is a troll post
>OP then asks a question
>I answer
>Then it leads to a discussion between me and OP

That simple. Yes, it started off as a troll post, but that doesn't mean it cannot lead to a semi-serious discussion. You don't seem to be willing to engage anyway so let's just stop here :D

If you really want a discussion here it is, the reality stands, men and woman now don't need each other. Men will rule the world till the end of time, it doesn't mean all men will hold the reigns of power. Playing women against men and vis versa is just like playing races against each other, religious, or people's of different ethnic and regional areas. Men again don't ever need anything from women, they simply do not. If you want a child yes you will need a woman but that doesn't mean a man "needs" a woman it means a man wants a woman. Same thing goes for women, but since woman didn't set up the system we all live in it will always be lopsided. Mentioning war is like saying it's human nature to kill each other. The reality is nature has developed us to be one part of a whole. Society has not and will not because the whole I am speaking about is also lopsided. You arguing the men need women is like arguing women need men, you don't understand my argument is to hold up the mirror and show the absurdism of the argument and the joy I was getting out of it. Your like an energy vampire. :( legit making me sleep :(

 

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If you really want a discussion here it is, the reality stands, men and woman now don't need each other. Men will rule the world till the end of time, it doesn't mean all men will hold the reigns of power. Playing women against men and vis versa is just like playing races against each other, religious, or people's of different ethnic and regional areas. Men again don't never anything from women, they simply do not. If you want a child yes you will need a woman but that doesn't mean a man "needs" a woman it means a man wants a woman. Same thing goes for women, but since woman didn't set up the system we all live in it will always be lop sided. Mentioning war is like saying it's human nature to kill each other. The reality is nature has developed us to be one part of a whole. Society has not and will not because the whole I am speaking about is also lopsided. You arguing the men need women is like arguing women need mean, you don't understand my argument is to hold up the mirror and show the absurdism of the argument and the joy I was getting out of it. Your like an energy vampire. :(View attachment 12629

Okay, I get where you are coming from I think.
Sorry to take the energy out of you, I just didn't understand what you were getting at.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Okay, I get where you are coming from I think.
Sorry to take the energy out of you, I just didn't understand what you were getting at.

Sorry I was a little mean there at the end it's time to sleep, your not an energy vampire,your a lil silly guy.

 

[Asgard]

I hope you get arrested by ICE and executed by hanging on national television. Zero tolerance towards traitors.

 

[Asgard]

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For men from first world countries just press this button

Overpopulation (with a huge male excess/surplus problem coupled with the so cool globalization with masses of people running to and fro) and on top of that, should I mention how our Homo Sapiens female mice are now increasingly becoming more hypergamous than ever as resources are getting "scarce" (remember, it's all LARP)? So according to you, how is the average male supposed to get a "goth girlfriend" for himself?


The storm is upon us. Everything will be disclosed at the very end.
Q

 

[The Patriarchy]

LOL! Well, I am glad to have cleared up the misconception there. Had I known OP was speaking from the perspective of the West, I probably wouldn't have engaged in this post at all but here we are ig XD

Op is south East Asia. SEA

 

[The Patriarchy]

My guess is they realized, "Wait, we can actually be more useful than they make us out to be. Fuck it, we want freedom!!!"
And I suppose that started a cascade effect that eventually got them their right. I am oversimplifying history of course (since Idk much about history than the next person) but I suppose that's one example that helps answer your question.

The elite pushed equality because competition for jobs drives down wages, increases working hours, increases tax base.

 

[Memento Mori]

The elite pushed equality because competition for jobs drives down wages, increases working hours, increases tax base.

 

[ZZEBRA813]

Grown up talk

 

[Schwarzwald]

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I feel like this is exactly what I said just distilled...

 

[The Patriarchy]

Overpopulation (with a huge male excess/surplus problem coupled with the so cool globalization with masses of people running to and fro) and on top of that, should I mention how our Homo Sapiens female mice are now increasingly becoming more hypergamous than ever as resources are getting "scarce" (remember, it's all LARP)? So according to you, how is the average male supposed to get a "goth girlfriend" for himself?


The storm is upon us. Everything will be disclosed at the very end.
Q

I'm saying that half the western guys could just press a button and have 50% chance of being feminized or getting a goth gf assigned to them. I think a lot of our problem is just too many men. Getting girls right now isn't as hard as some might think. Some foids know they are running on cheat codes so they actually act liberated and not burdened by finances. These goths will get a guy that has some aura, has an interesting personality, mtn maybe lower if other stats high.

 

[ZZEBRA813]

These goths will get a guy that has some aura, has an interesting personality, mtn maybe lower if other stats high.

I GET TO REPRODUCE WITH CHAD MY GENES WILL SURVIVE, YEAH MY GENES WILL LIVE ON. I HAVE WILL HAVE CHAD BABES AND STACY BABES AND REPEAT THE CYCLE

 

[ZZEBRA813]

I'm going to say and ask something I'm sure to regret, am I the only male on this forum that has children?...

yes, do you have girls? How old?

 

[GripMaxxing]

How tall are you @

172 cm

 

[Schwarzwald]

172 cm

Trying to trick us using commie centimeters???? That's kinda small in freedom units...

 

[The Patriarchy]

172 cm

Statistically speaking you don't heightmog @:o so you can't fulfill his hyena woman fantasies.

 

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The elite pushed equality because competition for jobs drives down wages, increases working hours, increases tax base.

I just realized that apparently this is essentially what @Schwarzwald was arguing or claiming. Makes sense, and Idk if the elite pushed equality knowing or aiming for this outcome, but this certainly is the case today isn't it?

Quite the cynical perspective but true.