Discussion Hardcore blackpillers should really take hardcore psychedelics.

[JayJaySattva]

If we understand that the self is an illusion constructed by the brain and that this model of reality - where a center or “I” emerges that supposedly does and feels everything - can cause a lot of psychological suffering, then I believe that the direct experience of the absence of a central self, facilitated by the use of psychedelics, could be incredibly powerful in dismantling much of that suffering.

• Detachment from the need for social validation: By realizing that thoughts and feelings related to not fitting into arbitrary hierarchical structures do not belong to them and do not constitute a self, people could free themselves from this bondage.

• Detachment from the need to be loved or desired: Through a direct perception that the thoughts and feelings associated with these needs are not their own and do not form a self, this type of suffering could be alleviated.

• Detachment from suffering due to discrimination (appearance, etc.): Understanding that thoughts and feelings arising from discrimination are not inherent to the self could offer profound release.

• Observation of conditioning: One could observe how thoughts and feelings instantly condition other thoughts, feelings and actions. The most powerful effect of this is precisely that the direct experience of seeing how the creation of this self is conditioned in real time arises.

• Perception of the "self" as a dynamic process: The notion of the "self" could emerge as a dynamic process, the result of multiple parts clamoring for different needs that do not necessarily belong to some fixed self somewhere within the body.

In addition to psychedelics, techniques such as self-inquiry ("For whom do these thoughts arise?", "For whom do these feelings arise?") and meditation are also valuable tools in this process.

Possible disadvantages:

• The main risk, I suppose, is the possibility of mental instability or “going crazy” when the mind-body has to face the past trauma, its shadow, and all the psychological conditioning that once served the purpose of protecting the individual and his apparent self.

Transition towards the next step:

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[xaxs]

Shrooms are worth to try at least once, imo. You kinda value life a bit more, even long after the trip

The main risk, I suppose, is the possibility of mental instability or “going crazy”

Yeah, gotta be careful if you have "bad genes" in your family tree. I got a panic disorder that lasted almost a year from shrooms.

 

[GGWP]

Hey man if it works for you it works for you.
My take is that Descartes solved it a long time ago - 'I think therefore I am'.

 

[JayJaySattva]

Hey man if it works for you it works for you.
My take is that Descartes solved it a long time ago - 'I think therefore I am'.

Yeah, I understand this. I just wanted to help those in need who might be interested, because this is pretty legit and very powerful to break psychological conditioning that causes suffering by having these kind of direct experiences, but at the same time it is very dangerous since as I wrote earlier, "the mind-body system" we call "I" will have to face past conditioning all at once if psychedelics are consumed, and that's why a meditative process is often recommended to experience these insights.

Even more, one understands that the decision to change does not comes from some individual and separated self, and that lots and lots of conditions have to be met for someone to take this decision.

Pratītyasamutpāda (Sanskrit: प्रतीत्यसमुत्पाद, Pāli: paṭiccasamuppāda), commonly translated as dependent origination, or dependent arising, is a key doctrine in Buddhism shared by all schools of Buddhism. It states that all dharmas (phenomena) arise in dependence upon other dharmas: "if this arises, that arises; if this ceases, that also ceases". The basic principle is that all things (dharmas, phenomena, principles) arise in dependence upon other things.

 

[GGWP]

Yeah, I understand this. I just wanted to help those in need who might be interested, because this is pretty legit and very powerful to break psychological conditioning that causes suffering by having these kind of direct experiences, but at the same time it is very dangerous since as I wrote earlier, "the mind-body system" we call "I" will have to face past conditioning all at once if psychedelics are consumed, and that's why a meditative process is often recommended to experience these insights.

Even more, one understands that the decision to change does not comes from some individual and separated self, and that lots and lots of conditions have to be met for someone to take this decision.

Pratītyasamutpāda (Sanskrit: प्रतीत्यसमुत्पाद, Pāli: paṭiccasamuppāda), commonly translated as dependent origination, or dependent arising, is a key doctrine in Buddhism shared by all schools of Buddhism. It states that all dharmas (phenomena) arise in dependence upon other dharmas: "if this arises, that arises; if this ceases, that also ceases". The basic principle is that all things (dharmas, phenomena, principles) arise in dependence upon other things.

Based! I love Buddhist philosophy. Yeah I totally agree, psychedelics can be a great tool when paired with spirituality. It really lets you feel like you are one with the universe.

 

[bell]

I had marijuana a long time ago. I greened out, felt paranoid and uncomfortable. I remember feeling as if I had teleported and thinking "never again", which has remained true.

I'm also predisposed to addiction so I don't think it'd be a good idea. I'd probably become an alcoholic if not for the fact that the idea of needing to restock constantly and let the money trail away is cancerous in it itself. I don't think it'd be any less cancerous with hard drugs.

 

[Chisai]

Looked into it and can only get them if you have fucking friends in my shithole country I have no one

 

[JayJaySattva]

Looked into it and can only get them if you have fucking friends in my shithole country I have no one

I'm sorry for that. The alternative is to engage in meditative practices. There is the so called "loving-kindness" meditation, which is very useful to process trauma. In there you act as if you were your own mother to talk with those parts that are stuck in trauma. Plus, I think that emotions similar to love are high in neuroplasticity, which means that there can be a lot of neural optimization to be gained from employing metta practices.

I suggest to leave prejudice behind, and see this more from the perspective of a scientist trying to heal its own mind. This is just the more practical way to heal the mind, and I suggest you see it that way.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Making DMT is really easy guys and growing shrooms is just as easy.

 

[maraby]

Shrooms are worth to try at least once, imo. You kinda value life a bit more, even long after the trip

Yeah, gotta be careful if you have "bad genes" in your family tree. I got a panic disorder that lasted almost a year from shrooms.

Same thing happened to me, but not exactly because people from my family had a history of mental ilness.

It was due to having like 3 other drugs in my system (And a full stomach too)

But yeah, I agree with what Jayjay says; it might be a good way to help peeps

 

[The Patriarchy]

growing shrooms is just as easy.

It can be annoying if from spore syringe
Spores are now illegal in florida )=

 

[Schwarzwald]

It can be annoying if from spore syringe
Spores are now illegal in florida )=

I feel like that's more of a logistics problem hmmmmm lots of boards and forums would send you a spore print on foil and no one would be the wiser, that said DMT is still very easy to make.

 

[Schwarzwald]

I feel like that's more of a logistics problem hmmmmm lots of boards and forums would send you a spore print on foil and no one would be the wiser, that said DMT is still very easy to make.

Idk what's happening in those images...
But it sure is a good time.

 

[Raul and the Kings Of Lame]

Only losers take recreational drugs.

 

[JayJaySattva]

Only losers take recreational drugs.

Only losers are afraid of taking shortcuts to face their own shadow and trauma at the risk of going crazy.

 

[midnightsun]

Only losers are afraid of taking shortcuts to face their own shadow and trauma at the risk of going crazy.

Drugs are bad. Just face your own shadow and trauma with introspection. No need for drugs. They’re harmful. Btw why take shortcuts? Doesn’t that make you a loser?

 

[JayJaySattva]

Drugs are bad. Just face your own shadow and trauma with introspection. No need for drugs. They’re harmful. Btw why take shortcuts? Doesn’t that make you a loser?

Drugs are fun!

I guess it depends on the emotional context when I made this post, but I don't really think they are necessary and it is not because you are a "winner" or a "loser". I just simply think that if you employ meditative practices based on loving-kindness meditation while you attempt to deconstruct your own trauma and shadow, you can reap more benefits and heal "abused-dog syndrome".

 

[Cain]

Im too stupid to get them

 

[Schwarzwald]

Only losers take recreational drugs.

Says a neet lol. Talk when you have kids, own property, are your own boss, have more then one car and put something into space hahah.

 

[JayJaySattva]

Says a neet lol. Talk when you have kids, own property, are your own boss, have more then one car and put something into space hahah.

Yeah, that statement is very judgemental and doesn't consider the potential that they can have for healing and exploring different sides of yourself. It is like seeing yourself in a new perspective. Obviously, one has to be careful of not falling into delusions and psychosis.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Yeah, that statement is very judgemental and doesn't consider the potential that they can have for healing and exploring different sides of yourself. It is like seeing yourself in a new perspective. Obviously, one has to be careful of not falling into delusions and psychosis.

He's just being a puritanical edge lord.

 

[Schwarzwald]

And being a puritanical edge lord might be the gayest thing I can think of as an online persona...

 

[midnightsun]

Drugs are fun!

I guess it depends on the emotional context when I made this post, but I don't really think they are necessary and it is not because you are a "winner" or a "loser". I just simply think that if you employ meditative practices based on loving-kindness meditation while you attempt to deconstruct your own trauma and shadow, you can reap more benefits and heal "abused-dog syndrome".

I wouldn’t do drugs; they allow entities to get attached to you and shit. I don’t drink either. Alcohol lets you get possessed by spirits

 

[ZZEBRA813]

Says a neet lol. Talk when you have kids, own property, are your own boss, have more then one car and put something into space hahah.

Real men fuck, kill and take whatever they want. All that other shit is for tools. Pirates and vikings had the right mind set.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Real men fuck and kill whatever they want. All that other shit is for tools.

Oh fuck me guys watch out we gotta bad ass over here.