Discussion Hardcore blackpillers should really take hardcore psychedelics.

[twojei]

If we understand that the self is an illusion constructed by the brain and that this model of reality - where a center or “I” emerges that supposedly does and feels everything - can cause a lot of psychological suffering, then I believe that the direct experience of the absence of a central self, facilitated by the use of psychedelics, could be incredibly powerful in dismantling much of that suffering.

• Detachment from the need for social validation: By realizing that thoughts and feelings related to not fitting into arbitrary hierarchical structures do not belong to them and do not constitute a self, people could free themselves from this bondage.

• Detachment from the need to be loved or desired: Through a direct perception that the thoughts and feelings associated with these needs are not their own and do not form a self, this type of suffering could be alleviated.

• Detachment from suffering due to discrimination (appearance, etc.): Understanding that thoughts and feelings arising from discrimination are not inherent to the self could offer profound release.

• Observation of conditioning: One could observe how thoughts and feelings instantly condition other thoughts, feelings and actions. The most powerful effect of this is precisely that the direct experience of seeing how the creation of this self is conditioned in real time arises.

• Perception of the "self" as a dynamic process: The notion of the "self" could emerge as a dynamic process, the result of multiple parts clamoring for different needs that do not necessarily belong to some fixed self somewhere within the body.

In addition to psychedelics, techniques such as self-inquiry ("For whom do these thoughts arise?", "For whom do these feelings arise?") and meditation are also valuable tools in this process.

Possible disadvantages:

• The main risk, I suppose, is the possibility of mental instability or “going crazy” when the mind-body has to face the past trauma, its shadow, and all the psychological conditioning that once served the purpose of protecting the individual and his apparent self.

Transition towards the next step:

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[Rikoel]

Shrooms are worth to try at least once, imo. You kinda value life a bit more, even long after the trip

The main risk, I suppose, is the possibility of mental instability or “going crazy”

Yeah, gotta be careful if you have "bad genes" in your family tree. I got a panic disorder that lasted almost a year from shrooms.

 

[GGWP]

Hey man if it works for you it works for you.
My take is that Descartes solved it a long time ago - 'I think therefore I am'.

 

[twojei]

Hey man if it works for you it works for you.
My take is that Descartes solved it a long time ago - 'I think therefore I am'.

Yeah, I understand this. I just wanted to help those in need who might be interested, because this is pretty legit and very powerful to break psychological conditioning that causes suffering by having these kind of direct experiences, but at the same time it is very dangerous since as I wrote earlier, "the mind-body system" we call "I" will have to face past conditioning all at once if psychedelics are consumed, and that's why a meditative process is often recommended to experience these insights.

Even more, one understands that the decision to change does not comes from some individual and separated self, and that lots and lots of conditions have to be met for someone to take this decision.

Pratītyasamutpāda (Sanskrit: प्रतीत्यसमुत्पाद, Pāli: paṭiccasamuppāda), commonly translated as dependent origination, or dependent arising, is a key doctrine in Buddhism shared by all schools of Buddhism. It states that all dharmas (phenomena) arise in dependence upon other dharmas: "if this arises, that arises; if this ceases, that also ceases". The basic principle is that all things (dharmas, phenomena, principles) arise in dependence upon other things.

 

[GGWP]

Yeah, I understand this. I just wanted to help those in need who might be interested, because this is pretty legit and very powerful to break psychological conditioning that causes suffering by having these kind of direct experiences, but at the same time it is very dangerous since as I wrote earlier, "the mind-body system" we call "I" will have to face past conditioning all at once if psychedelics are consumed, and that's why a meditative process is often recommended to experience these insights.

Even more, one understands that the decision to change does not comes from some individual and separated self, and that lots and lots of conditions have to be met for someone to take this decision.

Pratītyasamutpāda (Sanskrit: प्रतीत्यसमुत्पाद, Pāli: paṭiccasamuppāda), commonly translated as dependent origination, or dependent arising, is a key doctrine in Buddhism shared by all schools of Buddhism. It states that all dharmas (phenomena) arise in dependence upon other dharmas: "if this arises, that arises; if this ceases, that also ceases". The basic principle is that all things (dharmas, phenomena, principles) arise in dependence upon other things.

Based! I love Buddhist philosophy. Yeah I totally agree, psychedelics can be a great tool when paired with spirituality. It really lets you feel like you are one with the universe.

 

[bell]

I had marijuana a long time ago. I greened out, felt paranoid and uncomfortable. I remember feeling as if I had teleported and thinking "never again", which has remained true.

I'm also predisposed to addiction so I don't think it'd be a good idea. I'd probably become an alcoholic if not for the fact that the idea of needing to restock constantly and let the money trail away is cancerous in it itself. I don't think it'd be any less cancerous with hard drugs.