Serious Why do hylics have such a visceral hatred of human euthanasia?

[Depresso]

Let's start with some reasons why someone would ever think of euthanasia:

• Irreversible losses (ruined life, injury, impairment, function loss)
• Intolerable incessant incurable suffering (can't be saved)
• Brain incompatible with life (absurdity, sober madness)
• Dying anyway but the natural way is prolonged and disgusting (chestbursters, rabies etc.)

Hylics are beings or objects understood as fundamentally material — made up of “stuff” or physical substance rather than mind, spirit, or purely abstract entities. In some older philosophical frameworks like Gnosticism, they are treated as the kind of entity whose behavior can be explained in terms of matter, forces, and physical organization.

lowest order of the three types of humans. They cannot be saved, since their thinking is entirely material and incapable of understanding the gnosis.

They're NPCs.

Hylics are "things", so, when hylics are discussed, the focus is on how material forms persist, interact, and undergo change without relying on non-material explanations like "souls" and "spirits". Hylics can be equated with:

• Big Medic & Pharmacy — because prolonging suffering literally motivates demand for managing it.
• Research and corporate corruption — they will never invent or release a cure for a profitable illness. They're immovable.
• Media — they want to keep lying and causing irreversible losses.
• Other industries and entities that benefit from suffering.

They will never ever try to solve the things that are causing the demand for euthanasia, they will instead start explaining away why you can't have those things. Sometimes they even prefer to kill healthy people rather than to allow peaceful euthanasia of souls that have had enough.

 

[Depresso]

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[Wolfstorm]

But Switzerland pioneered suicide pods, and part of big pharma is quartered there.
In the future npcs will live inside pods, playing VR all day long, and the pods will have a automated euthanasia mechanism. This way they will not annoy us talking about foids, soccer and politics anymore, they can just press the red button at the first emotional crisis.

 

[Depresso]

But Switzerland pioneered suicide pods, and part of big pharma is quartered there.

Even the guy who pioneered the pods, Ludwig Minelli, died by his own company at 92.

Ludwig Minelli: Dignitas founder dies by assisted suicide aged 92, group says

Ludwig Minelli founded the group in 1998, which has since helped thousands of people to die.

www.bbc.co.uk

The group paid tribute to Minelli, saying he had led a "life for freedom of choice, self-determination, and human rights".

He lived until he didn't need more life anymore at 92, like a boss. When we start extending life more and more, this is going to become more obvious. Once you have had your business here, you don't need "more". At least he was honest about his life values.

I don't really understand why normies can't be honest about this topic until something awful happens to them personally and even worse, redditors wish suffering on others and updoot it like it's nothing. It's a vicious cycle and they think they're better than the thirdies who happily harm each other. If you prematurely fulfill someones life, they die. If you make their business here impossible or even convince them it's impossible (blackpilling them), they die. It's as simple as taking someone's oxygen away.

It's like the moment this topic appears they're triggered into shaming tactics and manufacturing consent to invalidate you no matter what.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

I think your problem is you're depressed.

I figured out some of the life extension peptides Putin and Xi are taking. They also have a very pleasant side effect of boosting your mood and curing depression.



I've been taking a few of them for the past week while I walk around the city catching up on the sights that I missed as a wage salve, and I'm feeling pretty good, ngl. I thought I wasn't depressed before hand, but my mental clarity has definitely shifted after taking them.

• Bromantane (psychostimulant, anti-depressant, anxiolytic, anti-inflammatory, dopaminergic modulator)
• Semax (adrenocorticotropin, a more advanced synthetic relative of adrenochrome)
• Selank (anxiolytic)

Also been dosing with modafinil every other day. Giving up on life is the last thing on my mind. Your problem is you lack stims.

 

[porco-dddio]

Ask me. I can detail why I hate euthanasia. I am probably one of these people who only conceive material reality.

But its not really true, I dont really like this thing: material vs spiritual. Normies are trying to infect us with their false opposite once more.

So in my life I didnt really deny any "spirituality" really, I also use magical jargon and vane empty words when I think I have to. And anything I cant explain I do away with some analogy and mythology.

Third thing, I feel like im in some sort of competition to see whos more eccentric, schizo and retarded. And so I see these performative "spiritual" people and Id like to show them in schizo terms im not a joke either. Want to see what they have schizoer than what I have. Bcause I think I mog a great portion of them.

Why I hate euthanasia. Short TLDR: bcause it leaves traces in society, ruins society, it requires ethical discourse, it is a philosophical position, it has implications when we discuss bureaucracy and how to direct our resources.

If you use a shotgun and do the deed yourself, you nver see me complaining. If you argue morally for euthanasia, I will complain.

 

[Shinrinken]

While I can see a few times where euthanasia might be reasonable. The problem I have with it is we all know the government and insurance will use and abuse it till as soon as it's more than pulling a tooth, putting a cast on it or giving them some cold medicine. They say it too much and they pay for MAIDS. Which basically what Canada has been doing. Someone needed a fucking chair lift for their house and they told them that the best they could do is kill them. Also, with access to your medical data. I wouldn't be shocked if some people who have good organs might be groomed to be "MAID and harvested." Plus, can see it be used to MAID political opponents, people who know too much, etc. At least when they were assassinated before hand. They had to put in the work to make it look like an accident or that they did it to themselves. Now just used MAID to cover their tracks.

 

[Depresso]

While I can see a few times where euthanasia might be reasonable. The problem I have with it is we all know the government and insurance will use and abuse it till as soon as it's more than pulling a tooth, putting a cast on it or giving them some cold medicine. They say it too much and they pay for MAIDS. Which basically what Canada has been doing. Someone needed a fucking chair lift for their house and they told them that the best they could do is kill them. Also, with access to your medical data. I wouldn't be shocked if some people who have good organs might be groomed to be "MAID and harvested." Plus, can see it be used to MAID political opponents, people who know too much, etc. At least when they were assassinated before hand. They had to put in the work to make it look like an accident or that they did it to themselves. Now just used MAID to cover their tracks.

You're kind of proving how hylics are pretty much the same as the bigger systems they're parts of.

I don't think you're being honest or authentic at all here in making abuse and corruption a problem with euthanasia or MAID itself. If you thought that MAID corrupts the healthcare system because the players will use it to cut costs then you could just propose to move it's provision outside of the healthcare system and say let the hospitals only do one thing and one thing only, health. You didn't and you said that the abuse is a problem with euthanasia itself which it isn't at all, the abuse is already ubiquitous and often directly causes the demand for euthanasia whether it's legally on offer or not.

None of the players need to abuse MAID to deliver death like they're Amazon parcels. If the incentives ever aligned, the news cycles would start running. Euthanasia is about individuals deciding enough is enough.

Why I hate euthanasia. Short TLDR: bcause it leaves traces in society, ruins society, it requires ethical discourse, it is a philosophical position, it has implications when we discuss bureaucracy and how to direct our resources.

If you use a shotgun and do the deed yourself, you nver see me complaining. If you argue morally for euthanasia, I will complain.

Accepting euthanasia is more of an admission of a truth than it is a philosophical position and everyone knows that. If you were confronted with a choice between dying to something prolonged and brutal or something quick and painless we know which one you would choose. Your position is that you don't have that problem and that others should shut up about it because you don't like the social implications of it.

The social implications are already there because everyone knows that it's true, so the admission will not cause any problems.

I think your problem is you're depressed.

I don't think that admitting that euthanasia is truth is caused by me being depressed. I've been to the clinic and what I've seen is that there are more and more normies being referred for help to prevent suicide. At first I saw the usual, unsolvable problems types with tubes coming out of their bodies but then just everyday normies.

 

[porco-dddio]

I don't think you're being honest or authentic at all here in making abuse and corruption a problem with euthanasia or MAID itself. If you thought that MAID corrupts the healthcare system because the players will use it to cut costs then you could just propose to move it's provision outside of the healthcare system and say let the hospitals only do one thing and one thing only, health. You didn't and you said that the abuse is a problem with euthanasia itself which it isn't at all, the abuse is already ubiquitous and often directly causes the demand for euthanasia whether it's legally on offer or not.

No im simply worried that the "philosophy" spreads in white countries, and white kids get to die. That is what worries me.

Second thing, it pissess me off, because people dont wan to buy a shotgun and use clinics instead. But that is secondary, I consider them lesser humans, but if they are old I dont really care.

What makes me afraid is this shit can become very big if unchallenged.

 

[Wolfstorm]

If you thought that MAID corrupts the healthcare system because the players will use it to cut costs then you could just propose to move it's provision outside of the healthcare system and say let the hospitals only do one thing and one thing only, health. You didn't and you said that the abuse is a problem with euthanasia itself which it isn't at all, the abuse is already ubiquitous and often directly causes the demand for euthanasia whether it's legally on offer or not.

The presence of the tool makes corruption easier. But to blame the tool is like blaming guns for crime, instead of criminals.
That's why I said this system should be imbued in entertainment VR pods. It would be out of reach from big pharma.
First thing is to develop a virus that is capable of penetrating condoms, in order to spread a graphene-based venereal disease.
Second to develop a better interface to VR that does not involve clunky glasses, maybe modulate magnetic induction in order to bring the visuals in a contained environment, without needing cables.
Normies are completely hooked to sexual interaction, so you spread the virus, then offer the solution in VR porn.
They enter the pod, enjoy the porn, get addicted, and eventually get depressed. You then implement euthanasia controls in the pod itself.
No bureaucracy, no exploitation, no cutting corners. Just the red button.
You can even have a pod delivery to a heavy drone, that would carry the pod with the corpse to an grave, and bury it there already. The pod would become the coffin. Automatic disposition of normies through a efficient delivery system.

 

[Depresso]

The problem I have with it is we all know the government and insurance will use and abuse it

This is an already existing problem without the MAID as I mentioned but there's something to add.

Also, with access to your medical data. I wouldn't be shocked if some people who have good organs might be groomed to be "MAID and harvested." Plus, can see it be used to MAID political opponents, people who know too much, etc. At least when they were assassinated before hand. They had to put in the work to make it look like an accident or that they did it to themselves. Now just used MAID to cover their tracks.

AI is going to change everything in the next 5 - 10 years and not for the better at all because you know the internet safety laws are about the censorship of free speech and not safety. The new laws are just corruption protecting itself from real memes and whistleblowers. AI is the intelligence without that annoying sentience that hiring people comes with. A lot of the things that the elites had always wanted to do are going to be really easy to achieve and a lot of enablers are just not needed anymore.

Humans are really not a good species. They exploit the fuck out of each other, kill and torture to protect their shitty little businesses and fund professional trolls to harass people that complain about it.

The fact that gore is online and that there's a comment section is the worse political problem than it's generation on the ground in the first place is a massive problem of evil in humans.

 

[Depresso]

Second thing, it pissess me off, because people dont wan to buy a shotgun and use clinics instead.

I got you the first time

 

[porco-dddio]

I got you the first time

yes i dont like clinics.

So what. I think they shouldnt exist no matter if people want them.

If people want to die, they should use a shotgun not a clinic. I also disagree with the aesthetic of "die in a clinic", it looks really bad.

 

[Depresso]

yes i dont like clinics.

So what. I think they shouldnt exist no matter if people want them.

If people want to die, they should use a shotgun not a clinic. I also disagree with the aesthetic of "die in a clinic", it looks really bad.

What if they just decriminalised selling pills and vials?

 

[porco-dddio]

What if they just decriminalised selling pills and vials?

point is, me arguing pro or against people collective suicide is pointless bcause I have no right to tell them what to do.

But if they write "philosophy" then I can totally attack their philosophy. If they write aesthetics and talk of "suffering" I can introduce my aesthetic and my senses that contrast their own senses.

Of course if someone wants to die is none of my business. There is no way someone constructs the cope I am impediment for these people suicides, they have the power all the time. I have no power whatsoever to be an impediment if they want to die.

 

[Depresso]

But if they write "philosophy" then I can totally attack their philosophy. If they write aesthetics and talk of "suffering" I can introduce my aesthetic and my senses that contrast their own senses.

But you know it's not a "philosophy"...

 

[porco-dddio]

But you know it's not a "philosophy"...

I have a visceral hatred of their "philosophy" of going in an overpriced clinic and get injected some poison. That was the point of my first shitpost.

hard for me to explain my hatred. But I remember one of the boks of houellebecq, I think is the book that won goncourt prize forgot xactly. In the book, protagonist had his father do "euthanasia" and he went to the clinic, out of nowhere he beat the nurse.

I dont know, it makes you want to beat them to near death and just kill your parent humanely. That stupid clinic is pure evil.

 

[Depresso]

I have a visceral hatred of their "philosophy" of going in an overpriced clinic and get injected some poison. That was the point of my first shitpost.

hard for me to explain my hatred. But I remember one of the boks of houellebecq, I think is the book that won goncourt prize forgot xactly. In the book, protagonist had his father do "euthanasia" and he went to the clinic, out of nowhere he beat the nurse.

I dont know, it makes you want to beat them to near death and just kill your parent humanely. That stupid clinic is pure evil.

Is it because the clinic makes death "good" and something to sell and share in some way? An inversion of a health clinic, the "death clinic"?

 

[Wolfstorm]

Is it because the clinic makes death "good" and something to sell and share in some way? An inversion of a health clinic, the "death clinic"?

The glamourization of suicide would rid us of many normies, without needing to move a finger. Imagine normies working like pack mules just to have money enough to buy a glamorous suicide. We could have this video playing in malls with these watered fashion models selling assisted suicide at dry clinics, and targetting foids as their main audience. It would be glorious, a mainstream culture of suicide being normalized and sold on tiktok. Everything in a dry, cold, shallow way. Live vainly, die vainly could be a slogan for it. Modern vanity would switch from breeding to dying.

 

[Depresso]

The glamourization of suicide would rid us of many normies, without needing to move a finger. Imagine normies working like pack mules just to have money enough to buy a glamorous suicide. We could have this video playing in malls with these watered fashion models selling assisted suicide at dry clinics, and targetting foids as their main audience. It would be glorious, a mainstream culture of suicide being normalized and sold on tiktok. Everything in a dry, cold, shallow way. Live vainly, die vainly could be a slogan for it. Modern vanity would switch from breeding to dying.

Euthanasia is not about glamourising suicide at all or else you're just killing people. If you take happy healthy people and introduce death to them then you killed even if you didn't give them the tools to do it. That's like the opposite of euthanasia.

For hylics their logic is that if death is brutal and messy people will try their best to avoid it. They want to make it as painful and scary as possible to deter people from leaving shitty conditions. They invent many colourful afterlives with torture and circles of hells to deter people from leaving them and their shitty games. The best way to prevent people from wanting to die is to make life good but for hylics that's not even a conversation to be had, their first concern is demonising death which is as natural as birth.

Of course, they don't care about living people who need help. They're to be exploited as seen fit.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

I've been to the clinic

Big medicine can't cure you. It will give you things that make it worse and dependent.

 

[Depresso]

hard for me to explain my hatred. But I remember one of the boks of houellebecq, I think is the book that won goncourt prize forgot xactly. In the book, protagonist had his father do "euthanasia" and he went to the clinic, out of nowhere he beat the nurse.

I dont know, it makes you want to beat them to near death and just kill your parent humanely. That stupid clinic is pure evil.

They should have cake at the clinic while they wait, it should make the atmosphere better.

 

[Depresso]

Big medicine can't cure you. It will give you things that make it worse and dependent.

I know, it's why I found alternatives that work. Big medicine wants to keep you alive to keep pumping painkillers into you as long as possible.

Once you've felt it, you can't really unfeel it anymore. It's like knowing, you can't "unknow" something you come to know. It's not death, it's people.

 

[Wolfstorm]

Euthanasia is not about glamourising suicide at all or else you're just killing people. If you take happy healthy people and introduce death to them then you killed even if you didn't give them the tools to do it. That's like the opposite of euthanasia.

I agree, but I wasn't talking just about euthanasia, but a culture of suicide introduced by normie trends. And you would not be killing the normie, he would be killing himself, by using pods originally meant for euthanasia. There is already a trend in 4chan about youtubers commiting suicide and becoming famous after it. 4chan is run by feds, so we can see some signs that globies are going to try it in the future when bots are advanced enough to replace wageslaves.

 

[Depresso]

I agree, but I wasn't talking just about euthanasia, but a culture of suicide introduced by normie trends. And you would not be killing the normie, he would be killing himself, by using pods originally meant for euthanasia. There is already a trend in 4chan about youtubers commiting suicide and becoming famous after it. 4chan is run by feds, so we can see some signs that globies are going to try it in the future when bots are advanced enough to replace wageslaves.

Normies are pretty alright in real life but they're insufferable on the internet. I would be all for Keir's internet ban if it was limited to the normie platforms but he seems to be after more than that and wants to destroy online anonymity. Normie's kill you with their expectations and then they kill you for not conforming and then they get upset when you start thinking about dying. Of course, the politicians are hypernormies, and when you complain to them they will just invalidate you and explain to you why Nestle and other lobbies get to have this law passed for them and why it's actually good for you.

If you're not using social media as a tool to get laid or make money, you're only getting drained by it.

I agree, but I wasn't talking just about euthanasia, but a culture of suicide introduced by normie trends. And you would not be killing the normie, he would be killing himself, by using pods originally meant for euthanasia.

They need to be regulated and looked after before it gets to that to be honest.



I think this mouse utopia was entirely caused by normie overexposure to each other and normies not having a prevailing way of life to conform to.

EDIT:

4chan is run by feds

By the way, I don't do /pol/stein. It's completely captcha'd and botted to shit.