Serious Why do hylics have such a visceral hatred of human euthanasia?

[Deleted member 347]

Let's start with some reasons why someone would ever think of euthanasia:

• Irreversible losses (ruined life, injury, impairment, function loss)
• Intolerable incessant incurable suffering (can't be saved)
• Brain incompatible with life (absurdity, sober madness)
• Dying anyway but the natural way is prolonged and disgusting (chestbursters, rabies etc.)

Hylics are beings or objects understood as fundamentally material — made up of “stuff” or physical substance rather than mind, spirit, or purely abstract entities. In some older philosophical frameworks like Gnosticism, they are treated as the kind of entity whose behavior can be explained in terms of matter, forces, and physical organization.

lowest order of the three types of humans. They cannot be saved, since their thinking is entirely material and incapable of understanding the gnosis.

They're NPCs.

Hylics are "things", so, when hylics are discussed, the focus is on how material forms persist, interact, and undergo change without relying on non-material explanations like "souls" and "spirits". Hylics can be equated with:

• Big Medic & Pharmacy — because prolonging suffering literally motivates demand for managing it.
• Research and corporate corruption — they will never invent or release a cure for a profitable illness. They're immovable.
• Media — they want to keep lying and causing irreversible losses.
• Other industries and entities that benefit from suffering.

They will never ever try to solve the things that are causing the demand for euthanasia, they will instead start explaining away why you can't have those things. Sometimes they even prefer to kill healthy people rather than to allow peaceful euthanasia of souls that have had enough.

 

[Deleted member 612]

But Switzerland pioneered suicide pods, and part of big pharma is quartered there.
In the future npcs will live inside pods, playing VR all day long, and the pods will have a automated euthanasia mechanism. This way they will not annoy us talking about foids, soccer and politics anymore, they can just press the red button at the first emotional crisis.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

I think your problem is you're depressed.

I figured out some of the life extension peptides Putin and Xi are taking. They also have a very pleasant side effect of boosting your mood and curing depression.



I've been taking a few of them for the past week while I walk around the city catching up on the sights that I missed as a wage salve, and I'm feeling pretty good, ngl. I thought I wasn't depressed before hand, but my mental clarity has definitely shifted after taking them.

• Bromantane (psychostimulant, anti-depressant, anxiolytic, anti-inflammatory, dopaminergic modulator)
• Semax (adrenocorticotropin, a more advanced synthetic relative of adrenochrome)
• Selank (anxiolytic)

Also been dosing with modafinil every other day. Giving up on life is the last thing on my mind. Your problem is you lack stims.

 

[porco-dddio]

Ask me. I can detail why I hate euthanasia. I am probably one of these people who only conceive material reality.

But its not really true, I dont really like this thing: material vs spiritual. Normies are trying to infect us with their false opposite once more.

So in my life I didnt really deny any "spirituality" really, I also use magical jargon and vane empty words when I think I have to. And anything I cant explain I do away with some analogy and mythology.

Third thing, I feel like im in some sort of competition to see whos more eccentric, schizo and retarded. And so I see these performative "spiritual" people and Id like to show them in schizo terms im not a joke either. Want to see what they have schizoer than what I have. Bcause I think I mog a great portion of them.

Why I hate euthanasia. Short TLDR: bcause it leaves traces in society, ruins society, it requires ethical discourse, it is a philosophical position, it has implications when we discuss bureaucracy and how to direct our resources.

If you use a shotgun and do the deed yourself, you nver see me complaining. If you argue morally for euthanasia, I will complain.

 

[Shinrinken]

While I can see a few times where euthanasia might be reasonable. The problem I have with it is we all know the government and insurance will use and abuse it till as soon as it's more than pulling a tooth, putting a cast on it or giving them some cold medicine. They say it too much and they pay for MAIDS. Which basically what Canada has been doing. Someone needed a fucking chair lift for their house and they told them that the best they could do is kill them. Also, with access to your medical data. I wouldn't be shocked if some people who have good organs might be groomed to be "MAID and harvested." Plus, can see it be used to MAID political opponents, people who know too much, etc. At least when they were assassinated before hand. They had to put in the work to make it look like an accident or that they did it to themselves. Now just used MAID to cover their tracks.

 

[porco-dddio]

I don't think you're being honest or authentic at all here in making abuse and corruption a problem with euthanasia or MAID itself. If you thought that MAID corrupts the healthcare system because the players will use it to cut costs then you could just propose to move it's provision outside of the healthcare system and say let the hospitals only do one thing and one thing only, health. You didn't and you said that the abuse is a problem with euthanasia itself which it isn't at all, the abuse is already ubiquitous and often directly causes the demand for euthanasia whether it's legally on offer or not.

No im simply worried that the "philosophy" spreads in white countries, and white kids get to die. That is what worries me.

Second thing, it pissess me off, because people dont wan to buy a shotgun and use clinics instead. But that is secondary, I consider them lesser humans, but if they are old I dont really care.

What makes me afraid is this shit can become very big if unchallenged.

 

[Deleted member 612]

If you thought that MAID corrupts the healthcare system because the players will use it to cut costs then you could just propose to move it's provision outside of the healthcare system and say let the hospitals only do one thing and one thing only, health. You didn't and you said that the abuse is a problem with euthanasia itself which it isn't at all, the abuse is already ubiquitous and often directly causes the demand for euthanasia whether it's legally on offer or not.

The presence of the tool makes corruption easier. But to blame the tool is like blaming guns for crime, instead of criminals.
That's why I said this system should be imbued in entertainment VR pods. It would be out of reach from big pharma.
First thing is to develop a virus that is capable of penetrating condoms, in order to spread a graphene-based venereal disease.
Second to develop a better interface to VR that does not involve clunky glasses, maybe modulate magnetic induction in order to bring the visuals in a contained environment, without needing cables.
Normies are completely hooked to sexual interaction, so you spread the virus, then offer the solution in VR porn.
They enter the pod, enjoy the porn, get addicted, and eventually get depressed. You then implement euthanasia controls in the pod itself.
No bureaucracy, no exploitation, no cutting corners. Just the red button.
You can even have a pod delivery to a heavy drone, that would carry the pod with the corpse to an grave, and bury it there already. The pod would become the coffin. Automatic disposition of normies through a efficient delivery system.

 

[porco-dddio]

I got you the first time

yes i dont like clinics.

So what. I think they shouldnt exist no matter if people want them.

If people want to die, they should use a shotgun not a clinic. I also disagree with the aesthetic of "die in a clinic", it looks really bad.

 

[porco-dddio]

What if they just decriminalised selling pills and vials?

point is, me arguing pro or against people collective suicide is pointless bcause I have no right to tell them what to do.

But if they write "philosophy" then I can totally attack their philosophy. If they write aesthetics and talk of "suffering" I can introduce my aesthetic and my senses that contrast their own senses.

Of course if someone wants to die is none of my business. There is no way someone constructs the cope I am impediment for these people suicides, they have the power all the time. I have no power whatsoever to be an impediment if they want to die.

 

[porco-dddio]

But you know it's not a "philosophy"...

I have a visceral hatred of their "philosophy" of going in an overpriced clinic and get injected some poison. That was the point of my first shitpost.

hard for me to explain my hatred. But I remember one of the boks of houellebecq, I think is the book that won goncourt prize forgot xactly. In the book, protagonist had his father do "euthanasia" and he went to the clinic, out of nowhere he beat the nurse.

I dont know, it makes you want to beat them to near death and just kill your parent humanely. That stupid clinic is pure evil.

 

[Deleted member 612]

Is it because the clinic makes death "good" and something to sell and share in some way? An inversion of a health clinic, the "death clinic"?

The glamourization of suicide would rid us of many normies, without needing to move a finger. Imagine normies working like pack mules just to have money enough to buy a glamorous suicide. We could have this video playing in malls with these watered fashion models selling assisted suicide at dry clinics, and targetting foids as their main audience. It would be glorious, a mainstream culture of suicide being normalized and sold on tiktok. Everything in a dry, cold, shallow way. Live vainly, die vainly could be a slogan for it. Modern vanity would switch from breeding to dying.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

I've been to the clinic

Big medicine can't cure you. It will give you things that make it worse and dependent.

 

[Deleted member 612]

Euthanasia is not about glamourising suicide at all or else you're just killing people. If you take happy healthy people and introduce death to them then you killed even if you didn't give them the tools to do it. That's like the opposite of euthanasia.

I agree, but I wasn't talking just about euthanasia, but a culture of suicide introduced by normie trends. And you would not be killing the normie, he would be killing himself, by using pods originally meant for euthanasia. There is already a trend in 4chan about youtubers commiting suicide and becoming famous after it. 4chan is run by feds, so we can see some signs that globies are going to try it in the future when bots are advanced enough to replace wageslaves.

 

[Chisai]

Literally fucking why how can you even be an outcast an be against people choosing to quit this rigged shithole full of suffering have you never lived in a shitty environment? gone to school, job, hospital, geriatric or have broken family or shitty health or mind? i dont fucking get it is one of the reason i wish fucking Hitler had won and cut down my family line before they imposed suffering on me but no like christcucks who i should side because most are against agecukery eventhough they pretend they say the fucking demiurge created you and no matter what you must take it and not only thank be fucking thankful for it and there they lost me completely to the point i feel such i could skin them alive or force them into paralized states to see if they still anti euthanasia then FUCK

 

[Shinrinken]

Big medicine can't cure you. It will give you things that make it worse and dependent.

Oh, they CAN cure you. However, they don't like to make cures now. They want just give you treatments and pills to mask the problem. They want everyone to have to pay them to feel good. Only people they know, like and have lots of money get the cure that "doesn't exist" or isn't "approved" now.

 

[porco-dddio]

No, you're only scared that people privately decide to go on their own terms before you get to tell them to go buy a shotgun. It's fear of loss of control. You don't own people.

i already told my reasoning. You should just ask my opinion instead of inventing my opinion

 

[porco-dddio]

You might have a point but what I said is true for others.

As a self-identified hylic, what's you solution to a trapped soul? Assume all of the painless ways have been taken away by the government.

I have read your description about hylic, seems I suit it more or less. I tend to think theres only material reality. Or, if there is else I didnt consider I will not go around "Be spiritual" anyway.

Solution to trapped souls? I dont have any, sorry. I was in a tranny community and they had soul trap theory, but then they realized it was incoherent because they had to also accept religious positions unrelated to their transition.

So they solved it by simply expressing a preference, and now they cope with scientific jargon like AGP.

I advise to make it easy and dont try to justify too much your choices. I think you need to give no justification whasoever.

 

[porco-dddio]

You don't have a solution. Why do you oppose other's solutions to their own pain without offering a better one that doesn't offend you?

i just said I disagree with these dumbasses philosophy, not them dropping dead. It doesnt matter if they die, lots of them die they drop like flies and nobody cares.

If they spread their mental retardation then yes is a problem. Im not giving them any solution. I am not in power to give any of them any solution and they should be ashamed just asking one.

They gotta find a solution on their own, usually the first step is be able to define a problem correctly. I am not payed to define problms for them, they have to learn to do it on their own.

 

[porco-dddio]

I think suicide should be a crime with a death penalty

I think is totally fine. Their death, my life. Less normies, more incels.

 

[porco-dddio]

If only one person finds out that they are insignificant that's nothing and they were not important anyway. But if many people find out that they are individually insignificant then that's dangerous and I will have to complain. That's just too dangerous for the things we actually care about

yes we are in a competition. If too many members of your groups are hving an issue you have to investigate what it is, and possibly fix it.

 

[porco-dddio]

What if the problem itself is that the investigators are too corrupt and it will never be fixed? Or what if it's an unfixable condition and they have to go?

yuo mean some bullshit loosh harvesting bullshit about "the grid" or "the reincarnation soul trap" bullshit? I dont even know what that is. I cant investigate that pack of bullshit

 

[porco-dddio]

They don't want to cure you because of how it affects power, profits and micro-games. The loosh is a side-effect and you can take it or leave it if you want. Management is always more profitable than the cure and when you're "spent" like a nuclear rod, they leave you to die of exposure. The patients are the pimp's BPD whores, the doctors get in when it's good and dump her when it's over.

Trans and looksmaxxing is greenfield economy for these guys, the corruption is a loosh engine whether it gets consumed or not is your personal belief. It spins, and spins and spins and nothing gets solved ever.

its a complex logic that only these people can "solve" and their demands for randoms to "solve" their loosh imaginary game is annoying. I dont share their views of reality.

 

[porco-dddio]

Even with the social media panopticon and surveillance, they were going to leave you to die by exposure. It's passive so there's no smoking barrel. Euthanasia is just a practical admission of something that people denied for a long time.

Im lost I cant understand any "logic" of that nonsense. I suppose if they die, with them dies also their theory which is cool

 

[Deleted member 612]

Loosh theory is real. You assign a part of yourself to some egregore and leave it there, filling space in your mind. So now you have less mind to interact with the world, while the egregore got more power. Its like those spells in a videogame where, while they remain active, decreases your total mana by some amount. In other words, loosh is egregore maintenance inside your soul.
For instance, someone in his 20s doing chemistry, but at the same time interested in le epic battles of Alexander the Great, will have less power to dedicate to chemistry, than someone not interested in le epic battles, but fully commited to chemistry. Now the first guy is feeding the egregore of le epic movies with le epic crowds simulating le epic battles full of /pol/ epicness and belonging to the history of the great ancient race that now is reduced to soylent drinkers. The first guy is now having loosh extracted by le epic /pol/ chud egregore, and will be a half-chemist since he will have his mind busy with political concerns. The second guy, though, has no mind for politics, and is obsessed with chemistry, so becoming a brilliant scientist. That's why one should be delusional about his dreams. By being obsessed and delusional, you prevent your loosh from being extracted by distractions. If you are obsessed and delusional, notifications will not hook you, they will annoy you instead.

 

[porco-dddio]

Here spirituality