Serious Do we even need the Elites?

[Depresso]

First: What do you think the elites are? Do you see them on TV or are they invisible and secret? Who do you think they are?

Second: Do you think we need the Elites? Will we always need them?

Is it part of being human to need elites?

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Either you need elites or you are the elites.

 

[porco-dddio]

What do you think the elites are?

I consider the concept of "elite" legit. I also used elite theory bcause I considered it a viable alternative vs communism or capitalism. Its a sociology that has a life, and so you can also use the muh academia credibility meme to dialog with normies. In my country (italy) its even more possible, because we have here some intellectual celebrities with national notoriety that teach elite theory in muh prestige acaemia.

So normies cant really slander you with their appeals to authority, telling you "muh you dont have supprt of muh intellectuals", we got it.

So yes I think is a totally legit concept. Elite theory is also supremely highIQ and realistic. Unlike communism which relies upon inventing fake past and pretending there was "primitive matriarchy" and fabricating archeological evidence to "prove" that egalitarianism existed in the past, elite theory does not needs to deny history and has less of a need to corrupt archeology.

Its a totally legit concept. Its also far more powerful to oppose communism than libertarian theory is.

 

[porco-dddio]

sorry I didnt answer. The answer is I dont need them but elites exist without me needing them.

The relationship between normies and elites is a well known and established concept. There are elites, there are grifted normies in the bottom. Its nothing spectacular, yuo see it all the time.

Normies refuse to acknowledge this is a relation, so they are defined by elites, but elites also exist due to the normies.

Yes is perfectly possible to live without this paradigm, but if youre a normie you cannot figure it out.

Only some humans who manifested the traits of a solitary individual can understand intuitively what Im explaining with means of analogy. Its easier to just do it than to try to explain it to a normie.

All you gotta do is develop your intuition and invent reality. Me and 4 or 5 other schizo retards are doing it, its a group that focuses on surpassing the normie. We find it totally easy and doable.

 

[Quintilian]

First: What do you think the elites are? Do you see them on TV or are they invisible and secret? Who do you think they are?

Second: Do you think we need the Elites? Will we always need them?

Is it part of being human to need elites?

Two things I have seen in pieces, parts and information. Those who have an understanding of how reality operates intend to keep that information hidden for it causes a power imbalance and lastly if you look at aristocrat families they often believe that due to their blood, they somehow are justified in their position. Overall, no we never needed such characters with a desire to dominate an keep for themselves at the cost of others.

 

[MAGONIA]

Where my 1337 niggas? I need you

 

[Tocharian Gangster]

First: What do you think the elites are? Do you see them on TV or are they invisible and secret? Who do you think they are?

Pretty broad, a lot of them are obscure to the public but I don't think they live in tunnels or have some top secret identities, they just keep a low profile and value privacy.
I think they are a wide range of stuff, bankers investors etc, the omnipresent shareholders etc.

Second: Do you think we need the Elites? Will we always need them?

I'm not a philosophical guy but it's human nature to have hierarchies, it's just how we function. I think most of the elites are pretty interchangeable and they aren't some high IQ puppetmasters on average (though I don't deny they do some nefarious things behind closed doors). There's always gonna be a certain collective at the top.

 

[CompedSushi]

"Co-founded by Thiel and investor Auren Hoffman in 2006, Dialog is a highly private network for global leaders in technology, politics, business, and academia" - https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...ecret-dialog-society-including-whos-involved/

Meetings like:

"It's Fun To Be In Charge" – The exact phrasing of the "power is fun" meeting you mentioned, exploring elite governance and control.

"Build-a-Party" – A session run by a former White House national security official focused on political organizing.

"Democracy Under Surveillance" – A look at intelligence, public tracking, and governance tech.

"Build-a-Cult" – The exact name of the cult session. It was reportedly moderated by the founder of the Christian networking site Pray.com.

"Disinformation and Deep Fakes" – A panel examining information manipulation, which drew attendance from Hollywood figures like Sophia Bush.

"Navigating WWIII" – A session focusing on severe global conflict, reportedly attended by high-ranking active-duty military commanders and NATO leaders.

"Battlefield Technologies" – Discussions covering the future of automated warfare and defense contracting.

"Bring Back Nuclear" – A push toward contrarian, aggressive energy policies.

So the question seems to not understand human hierarchy, just an observation. People crave power and like minded people tent to come together on such subjects. The question ends more on how much power do they get and whom? And that answer seems to depend on your dependence on them, age, sex, race, religion, and geography. But this just seems to be a thread about discourse and it is just that.

Pretty broad, a lot of them are obscure to the public but I don't think they live in tunnels or have some top secret identities, they just keep a low profile and value privacy.
I think they are a wide range of stuff, bankers investors etc, the omnipresent shareholders etc.

I'm not a philosophical guy but it's human nature to have hierarchies, it's just how we function. I think most of the elites are pretty interchangeable and they aren't some high IQ puppetmasters on average (though I don't deny they do some nefarious things behind closed doors). There's always gonna be a certain collective at the top.

This guy seems to get it, it's just nature. Big ape want big banana pile, little ape seethe. so many such cases...

 

[Depresso]

Either you need elites or you are the elites.

If you like to do your own thing and not dedicate yourself to acquiring power, you're not born to be elite.

Democracy and free press used to keep the elites in check and keep the people reasonably protected before, now, things have lost their balance. This is what's behind the new AI surveillance laws and the end of consumer ownership, the elite scramble for power in the new niches. There needs to be a new contract and new checks in place against the elites.

 

[Schwarzwald]

"Co-founded by Thiel and investor Auren Hoffman in 2006, Dialog is a highly private network for global leaders in technology, politics, business, and academia" - https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...ecret-dialog-society-including-whos-involved/

Meetings like:

"It's Fun To Be In Charge" – The exact phrasing of the "power is fun" meeting you mentioned, exploring elite governance and control.

"Build-a-Party" – A session run by a former White House national security official focused on political organizing.

"Democracy Under Surveillance" – A look at intelligence, public tracking, and governance tech.

"Build-a-Cult" – The exact name of the cult session. It was reportedly moderated by the founder of the Christian networking site Pray.com.

"Disinformation and Deep Fakes" – A panel examining information manipulation, which drew attendance from Hollywood figures like Sophia Bush.

"Navigating WWIII" – A session focusing on severe global conflict, reportedly attended by high-ranking active-duty military commanders and NATO leaders.

"Battlefield Technologies" – Discussions covering the future of automated warfare and defense contracting.

"Bring Back Nuclear" – A push toward contrarian, aggressive energy policies.

So the question seems to not understand human hierarchy, just an observation. People crave power and like minded people tent to come together on such subjects. The question ends more on how much power do they get and whom? And that answer seems to depend on your dependence on them, age, sex, race, religion, and geography. But this just seems to be a thread about discourse and it is just that.



This guy seems to get it, it's just nature. Big ape want big banana pile, little ape seethe. so many such cases...

This. The end.

On a larger note or to expand I find it people who hate the elite without understanding it seem to have father issues not saying that is anyone here but when I see leftist I see men and women with unresolved daddy issues.

 

[Depresso]

This. The end.

On a larger note or to expand I find it people who hate the elite without understanding it seem to have father issues not saying that is anyone here but when I see leftist I see men and women with unresolved daddy issues.

Did you return after a whole month to post this and mention psychological issues?

Julius Evola - Wikipedia

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I see Julius Evola and accelerationists for what they are. I'm actually spending the time to read his background and works and I'm seeing patterns. Evola started out as a dadaist nihilist shitposter and saw real brutality in WWI (not some gore pics online) and got depressed until he found something to create art about. Modern industrialised war at his time meant getting trapped by barbed wire and then shredded by maxim guns. It was a conveyor belt of death and shit and not the adventure it was advertised as at all. It's not uncommon at all for a soldier to get depressed after they return from a war and this was WWI. The other notable artist went into politics after this war and then started another big one.

Evola found his way back to shitposting and found his will to live again. Good for him, but that doesn't mean I like him and his philosophy which contributed to the following world war and a massive humanitarian disaster on the European continent. Evola is very similar @porco-dddio and his shitposts, he is a shitposter, and his works attract people with broken masculinities and closeted male queers. Porco is honest about what he posts and what he wants. Evola's 'Revolt against modernity' reads like something someone with a moral injury against their masculinity would write.

Militant accelerationists and people attracted to that stuff have mental issues and severely malfunctioning masculinities.

Mythopoetic men's movement - Wikipedia

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You had a complete meltdown when we had that argument about Yukio Mishima in the school shooter femboy lover thread and the motives to his suicide which did not relate to his far-right politics at all, but rather more likely his documented problems with his father. I think that Mishima was not capable of achieving happiness in this life and that at some point he became aware of that. Mishima literally put together a paramilitary organisation to assist his own suicide and yelled "Long live the Emperor!" before he committed seppuku and was beheaded by one of his followers. As a contemporary of Evola, he got his head pats after his suicide which he dedicated to an emperor that did not need or want that pointless suicide. 7 years after that incident, some former followers of his paramilitary group attempt to do the same thing. Another one of his followers, involved in the 1977 incident, went and killed himself at the offices of a daily newspaper over a cartoon. They're all the same, they're suicidal and commit political violence out of petty narcissism.

Mishima by his own admission is much not different to Elliot Rodger at all, they both committed their acts out of personal narcissism and wrote manifestos. The former wrote two, his novel which was the admission to his narcissism and a prediction of his suicide and then his literal suicide note which was an empty performance to incite copy-cat violence.

A girlfriend would not have made Elliot happy at all. He went forum to forum trying to get people to praise him and the moment they did, he moved on to others for his praises. He joined Teenspot and literally ignored the users that gave him positive face ratings and pursued and griefed those that didn't. The only reason why we ridicule Elliot is because he was worse than unaccomplished unlike Mishima.

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It attracts people with issues.

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Your meltdown spanned at least three different threads, you left for a month and now you've returned to be passive aggressive to me. At least I said "welcome" to you when I replied to you after you quoted me. I didn't even approach you at first because you told me that you didn't enjoy talking to me. I don't need your drama, you're clearly troubled.

Clearly I am the common denominator surly.

Just ban me @MAGONIA, but remember when when I snapped the first time in my first month on the forum I let it go, with others I let it go. But there was a mutual disengagement not some one coming back time and time and time again after being told interaction was not going to be positive. I didn't do that with the fun q anons poster the pedos the trolls or the rats but clearly it's me.

Despite whatever you may think I only came to sperd positivity and good vibes I just not going to be steam rolled or bullied, I'm a mirror with that bully shit.

Just fucking ban me.

BAN ME.

 

[Schwarzwald]

@Depresso

 

[MAGONIA]

Did you return after a whole month to post this and mention psychological issues?

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Julius Evola - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I see Julius Evola and accelerationists for what they are. I'm actually spending the time to read his background and works and I'm seeing patterns. Evola started out as a dadaist nihilist shitposter and saw real brutality in WWI (not some gore pics online) and got depressed until he found something to create art about. Modern industrialised war at his time meant getting trapped by barbed wire and then shredded by maxim guns. It was a conveyor belt of death and shit and not the adventure it was advertised as at all. It's not uncommon at all for a soldier to get depressed after they return from a war and this was WWI. The other notable artist went into politics after this war and then started another big one.

Evola found his way back to shitposting and found his will to live again. Good for him, but that doesn't mean I like him and his philosophy which contributed to the following world war and a massive humanitarian disaster on the European continent. Evola is very similar @porco-dddio and his shitposts, he is a shitposter, and his works attract people with broken masculinities and closeted male queers. Porco is honest about what he posts and what he wants. Evola's 'Revolt against modernity' reads like something someone with a moral injury against their masculinity would write.

Militant accelerationists and people attracted to that stuff have mental issues and severely malfunctioning masculinities.

Mythopoetic men's movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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You had a complete meltdown when we had that argument about Yukio Mishima in the school shooter femboy lover thread and the motives to his suicide which did not relate to his far-right politics at all, but rather more likely his documented problems with his father. I think that Mishima was not capable of achieving happiness in this life and that at some point he became aware of that. Mishima literally put together a paramilitary organisation to assist his own suicide and yelled "Long live the Emperor!" before he committed seppuku and was beheaded by one of his followers. As a contemporary of Evola, he got his head pats after his suicide which he dedicated to an emperor that did not need or want that pointless suicide. 7 years after that incident, some former followers of his paramilitary group attempt to do the same thing. Another one of his followers, involved in the 1977 incident, went and killed himself at the offices of a daily newspaper over a cartoon. They're all the same, they're suicidal and commit political violence out of petty narcissism.

Mishima by his own admission is much not different to Elliot Rodger at all, they both committed their acts out of personal narcissism and wrote manifestos. The former wrote two, his novel which was the admission to his narcissism and a prediction of his suicide and then his literal suicide note which was an empty performance to incite copy-cat violence.

A girlfriend would not have made Elliot happy at all. He went forum to forum trying to get people to praise him and the moment they did, he moved on to others for his praises. He joined Teenspot and literally ignored the users that gave him positive face ratings and pursued and griefed those that didn't. The only reason why we ridicule Elliot is because he was worse than unaccomplished unlike Mishima.

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It attracts people with issues.

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Your meltdown spanned at least three different threads, you left for a month and now you've returned to be passive aggressive to me. At least I said "welcome" to you when I replied to you after you quoted me. I didn't even approach you at first because you told me that you didn't enjoy talking to me. I don't need your drama, you're clearly troubled.

while this was a great post, it sounds to me you either have ptsd from him or you are trying to trigger his sensitivities gently. He used to have a problem with that lol i hope thats over. that self imposed reflection i hope did wonders. Hes my fav guy from any internet forum even greater than the prince of Lous himself the fourth account

 

[Depresso]

while this was a great post, it sounds to me you either have ptsd from him or you are trying to trigger his sensitivities gently. He used to have a problem with that lol i hope thats over. that self imposed reflection i hope did wonders. Hes my fav guy from any internet forum even greater than the prince of Lous himself the fourth account

On a larger note or to expand I find it people who hate the elite without understanding it seem to have father issues not saying that is anyone here but when I see leftist I see men and women with unresolved daddy issues.

My post is on topic. His reply to the OP is passive-aggressive. Everything is in context.

 

[Depresso]

while this was a great post, it sounds to me you either have ptsd from him or you are trying to trigger his sensitivities gently.

Why are you leaving his agency out of this?

 

[MAGONIA]

Why are you leaving his agency out of this?

hes responding to people. topics get derailed. your derailing it by being big mad. it seems fair use to me

 

[Wolfstorm]

Accelerationism is justified. Why would someone excluded from the democratic process participate in politics and pick up a side? Evola was right when he preached apoliteia, it is the only solution for the disenfranchised. From there to accelerationism is just one step.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Accelerationism is justified. Why would someone excluded from the democratic process participate in politics and pick up a side? Evola was right when he preached apoliteia, it is the only solution for the disenfranchised. From there to accelerationism is just one step.

Carful with that thinking the fun police are out in full force.

Fun fact:

"Julius Evola, who was in his 70s at the time of Mishima’s death, saw the event as a "courageous call" for Japan to awaken from the materialistic, pro-Western "slumber" it had fallen into after World War II. He admired the act as a final assertion of the traditional spirit."