Discussion Are humans animals ?

[Deleted member 428]

We are not animals because we have a nous and animals do not. If humans were animals we would live in the order of things, but we always are instead inventing ways to rebel against nature. You could make the argument that we are part of a supposed "animal kingdom", but the fact that we are uncontestedly at the top with no potential end in sight save for our own mistakes is only proof that we are not really part of it.

Just don't be a living organism

 

[Chisai]

Man is the cruelest animal said Neetzsche

Proof of this:
No other animal species has created institutions to torture each other or impose themselves on others
No other species except for insects has organized slavery in such scale as human beings
Created arbirtrary bullshit they don't even follow to create a world full of hypocrisy and hatred
This might be me but animals seem to care less about looks and they are designed to be more alike to each other which also helps on this argument

Against this:
Humans have created copes not available for animals
They have created medicine(which sometimes is used to extend suffering too)

My opinion:
Maybe rationality is good and "superior" if some kind of idealistic leader like mustache man took over was in charge of humanity but is a complete disaster and sometimes used to excuse unlimited amounts of suffering such extension or birth of people which are clearly going to lead lives with disadvantage due physical or mental defects or outright torment such as down people also me being a cunnyseur and living a world which constantly demonizes me over things I didn't choose why not then choose a mustache man to just allow the flawless people society loves to exist and not the rest?

 

[Depresso]

And if so why or why not ?

Humans are animals, but there is a such a thing as ethics.

 

[Deleted member 428]

Humans are animals, but there is a such a thing as ethics.

Okay Einstein

 

[midnightsun]

Man is the cruelest animal said Neetzsche

Proof of this:
No other animal species has created institutions to torture each other or impose themselves on others
No other species except for insects has organized slavery in such scale as human beings
Created arbirtrary bullshit they don't even follow to create a world full of hypocrisy and hatred
This might be me but animals seem to care less about looks and they are designed to be more alike to each other which also helps on this argument

This is exactly why misanthropy is based and why humanity should be destroyed

 

[160cmcurry]

humans are just animals that learned how to overthink everything. we dress it up with language, rules, and meaning, but underneath it’s still instincts, impulses, survival. animals act, we hesitate. they feel and move on, we feel and spiral. same emotions, just stretched out and complicated by memory and self awareness.


we like to pretend we’re above it, like we’re something separate, but most of what we do still comes down to the same things, seeking comfort, avoiding pain, wanting connection, fearing rejection.

we just built layers on top of it. social rules, identity, ego, expectations.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Man is a bridge, not a destination.

 

[Nicococo]

we superanimals, sitting on top of the foodchain.

 

[Nicococo]

humans are just animals that learned how to overthink everything. we dress it up with language, rules, and meaning, but underneath it’s still instincts, impulses, survival. animals act, we hesitate. they feel and move on, we feel and spiral. same emotions, just stretched out and complicated by memory and self awareness.


we like to pretend we’re above it, like we’re something separate, but most of what we do still comes down to the same things, seeking comfort, avoiding pain, wanting connection, fearing rejection.

we just built layers on top of it. social rules, identity, ego, expectations.

why cant any other animal just build it up?
im not denying our animal nature but we are just the best animals nature could ever produce and everything you mentioned isnt what we made up , but rather a big part of us that evolved as we progressed to keep our supremacy going.

 

[Enju]

we're animals with a consciousness and high sentience.

 

[160cmcurry]

why cant any other animal just build it up?
im not denying our animal nature but we are just the best animals nature could ever produce and everything you mentioned isnt what we made up , but rather a big part of us that evolved as we progressed to keep our supremacy going.

we’re the most advanced animal in terms of cognition but that same thing is also what screws us over. no other animal sits there replaying a conversation from years ago, questioning their worth, or creating problems that don’t even exist yet.

animals didn’t “fail” to build what we built, they just didn’t go down that path. evolution isn’t a ladder where we’re the final form, it’s just different adaptations.

a shark is perfectly optimized for being a shark, it doesn’t need self awareness to survive. we got self awareness, but it came with anxiety, existential dread, identity crises, anything that makes us ‘different’ from them.

with all that “progress,” we’re still driven by the same core things. validation, fear of rejection, status, belonging. we just made them more abstract.

instead of fighting over territory, we fight over social perception. instead of immediate threats, we stress about imagined futures.

we just built a more complex cage
around the same instincts