I'm an atheist. Debate me.

[OgreLTN]

There are different variations of idealism. Berkely's idealism does indeed makes the claim that nothing can exist without a mind to perceive it. But he was a Christian, and to him God was the supreme mind, and that is how things remained consistent and in place.

As for me, I believe that the universe itself, taken as a whole, is mental. Call it a God or whatever you want to call it. However, it would not cease to exist if I stop perceiving it. It exists, because it itself is also a mind. What I see, hear and feel when I interact with the world is only a representation of that mind, an image, but not the thing-in-itself.

By the way, if you feel that we're only arguing semantics here, then that's because most of philosophy amounts to that.

You see, that's why I said we're just arguing semantics. If you say the whole universe is mental, you could just say that mind is matter, so it amounts to the same thing in essence.

 

[pariah]

You see, that's why I said we're just arguing semantics. If you say the whole universe is mental, you could just say that mind is matter, so it amounts to the same thing in essence.

I disagree. Physicalists claim that consciousness/mind is an emergent property of matter. I'm arguing that it's fundamental, and that "matter" is nothing more than sensory data that is meaningless to even talk about without positing a mind a priori.

 

[Asgard]

What I disagree on is the polarity that "I" am surrounded with. People and I pick sides instinctively, whether it's Islam, Christianity or whatever, but we all certainly agree on a common point... "all this has happened before, and will happen again". But now all things considered, it is too bad we aren't hermaphrodites "ourselves" or just ungoverned by the wonders of "our" central nervous system (basically the singularity, the point of origin), as the opposite reality of this very same one we're in would solve so many problems...

 

[Foidkiller]

consciousness is emergent from matter because if I hit you on the head then you will become unconscious. It follows then that you can only have consciousness by organizing matter or atoms in a certain way, for otherwise everything would be conscious.

that's not true, it only proves that the brain is a receiver.

 

[Asgard]

that's not true, it only proves that the brain is a receiver.

In other words, we're tethering devices.

 

[Foidkiller]

In other words, we're tethering devices.

Tether me harder.

 

[Asgard]

Tether me harder.

I'm asexual.

 

[Foidkiller]

I'm asexual.

And I'm not a closeted homosexual like you are.

 

[Asgard]

And I'm not a closeted homosexual like you are.

Where did you take that line from?

 

[Asgard]

And I'm not a closeted homosexual like you are.

I thought you were cool but now you're bordering on the hatred.

 

[Foidkiller]

I thought you were cool but now you're bordering on the hatred.

Well, you got that right. I hate homosexuals.

 

[Asgard]

Well, you got that right. I hate homosexuals.

How am I an homosexual according to you? Look, I've identified myself as an asexual individual on this forum plenty of times, and it's not really up to you whether to determine the veracity of my claims or otherwise.