I'm an atheist. Debate me.

[OgreLTN]

There are different variations of idealism. Berkely's idealism does indeed makes the claim that nothing can exist without a mind to perceive it. But he was a Christian, and to him God was the supreme mind, and that is how things remained consistent and in place.

As for me, I believe that the universe itself, taken as a whole, is mental. Call it a God or whatever you want to call it. However, it would not cease to exist if I stop perceiving it. It exists, because it itself is also a mind. What I see, hear and feel when I interact with the world is only a representation of that mind, an image, but not the thing-in-itself.

By the way, if you feel that we're only arguing semantics here, then that's because most of philosophy amounts to that.

You see, that's why I said we're just arguing semantics. If you say the whole universe is mental, you could just say that mind is matter, so it amounts to the same thing in essence.

 

[pariah]

You see, that's why I said we're just arguing semantics. If you say the whole universe is mental, you could just say that mind is matter, so it amounts to the same thing in essence.

I disagree. Physicalists claim that consciousness/mind is an emergent property of matter. I'm arguing that it's fundamental, and that "matter" is nothing more than sensory data that is meaningless to even talk about without positing a mind a priori.

 

[Asgard]

What I disagree on is the polarity that "I" am surrounded with. People and I pick sides instinctively, whether it's Islam, Christianity or whatever, but we all certainly agree on a common point... "all this has happened before, and will happen again". But now all things considered, it is too bad we aren't hermaphrodites "ourselves" or just ungoverned by the wonders of "our" central nervous system (basically the singularity, the point of origin), as the opposite reality of this very same one we're in would solve so many problems...

 

[Deleted member 432]

consciousness is emergent from matter because if I hit you on the head then you will become unconscious. It follows then that you can only have consciousness by organizing matter or atoms in a certain way, for otherwise everything would be conscious.

that's not true, it only proves that the brain is a receiver.

 

[Asgard]

that's not true, it only proves that the brain is a receiver.

In other words, we're tethering devices.

 

[Deleted member 432]

In other words, we're tethering devices.

Tether me harder.

 

[Asgard]

Tether me harder.

I'm asexual.

 

[Deleted member 432]

I'm asexual.

And I'm not a closeted homosexual like you are.

 

[Asgard]

And I'm not a closeted homosexual like you are.

Where did you take that line from?

 

[Asgard]

And I'm not a closeted homosexual like you are.

I thought you were cool but now you're bordering on the hatred.

 

[Deleted member 432]

I thought you were cool but now you're bordering on the hatred.

Well, you got that right. I hate homosexuals.

 

[Asgard]

Well, you got that right. I hate homosexuals.

How am I an homosexual according to you? Look, I've identified myself as an asexual individual on this forum plenty of times, and it's not really up to you whether to determine the veracity of my claims or otherwise.

 

[Indrid]

You're gay. Take that atheist!

 

[Deleted member 432]

Well, you got that right. I hate homosexuals.

To be more precise, I was made to abhor the sin. The Master of the Day of Judgement is God.
[39:53] Proclaim: “O My servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of God’s mercy. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful.”

 

[Agent One]

For any atheist in this thread, could you actually explain what do you mean by "being an atheist"? Nowadays i think i think it's pretty vague. Are you a physicalist/materialist? Or just simply reject the idea of any other intelligence at work in the top of creation besides the human one? (Metaphysical atheist). What does the idea actually mean for you?

 

[Chisai]

For any atheist in this thread, could you actually explain what do you mean by "being an atheist"? Nowadays i think i think it's pretty vague. Are you a physicalist/materialist? Or just simply reject the idea of any other intelligence at work in the top of creation besides the human one? (Metaphysical atheist). What does the idea actually mean for you?

 

[Schwarzwald]

I fucking Stirner!!!! And I like calling thing spooks in front of black folk lmao they don't appreciate it.

 

[Konrad Cruze]

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Any worthy challengers?

Why do most Atheists do not recognize the problematic nature of the LGBT community?

 

[Agent One]

Could you elaborate on your own words? At least in a brief overview?

 

[Chisai]

Could you elaborate on your own words? At least in a brief overview?

For any atheist in this thread, could you actually explain what do you mean by "being an atheist"? Nowadays i think i think it's pretty vague. Are you a physicalist/materialist? Or just simply reject the idea of any other intelligence at work in the top of creation besides the human one? (Metaphysical atheist). What does the idea actually mean for you?

I don't reject the possibility of a god or gods but I don't feel like kneeling to anyone because due to the nature of the universe I can't fathom the idea of anyone giving a fuck about me you can't really split beings from their will or you get vegetables without their inherited will automata to go on and so if everyone's is a slave I find myself unable to bind myself to the goals of groups like society or others and unlike what Stirner believed I agree with Schopenhauer saying "man can do what he wills, but cannot will what he wills" this person and Phillip parroted a lot about religion like buddhism and christiniaty too I don't think you can despoke yourself of your essence or are posseded by it it is the thing on itself otherwise as said before you just become vegetable or braindead like people used to with depressed people and others however being brainwashed and carried by things like society and majority is indeed a spook yet I unable to define myself because I can't simply life as I see fit



I can't properly articulate the amalgamation of philosopher baggage I carry on my head but I don't identify with smug atheist who want to destroy or remove what they don't like it don't impose on me and I won't impose on you after all what is spook for one might give some relief from suffering to other also being aware of some philosophy can be negative for you like Mainlânder pointing at how each being is to exhaust themselves in order to free themselves from existing as such is the design of our reality but as Cioran pointed out the individual would rather the whole universe go to shit than it's own existence be nullified once it is and such life can't be denied to be a tragedy no matter how antinatalist or suicidal you are at the core you must have loved yourself even God in that other mentioned philosopher was deemed to off himself out of despair which is deep empathy for yourself as the agony when you feel sorrow for beings you will never meet again because you are affected by it since they can't no longer feel a thing

I also think reincarnation is tranny metaphysics and heaven without individual design is tyranny I don't want to be a different being or be accepted by the fucking herds Ive ben torture all my life and I despise

 

[Agent One]

I don't reject the possibility of a god or gods but I don't feel like kneeling to anyone because due to the nature of the universe I can't fathom the idea of anyone giving a fuck about me you can't really split beings from their will or you get vegetables without their inherited will automata to go on and so if everyone's is a slave I find myself unable to bind myself to the goals of groups like society or others and unlike what Stirner believed I agree with Schopenhauer saying "man can do what he wills, but cannot will what he wills" this person and Phillip parroted a lot about religion like buddhism and christiniaty too I don't think you can despoke yourself of your essence or are posseded by it it is the thing on itself otherwise as said before you just become vegetable or braindead like people used to with depressed people and others however being brainwashed and carried by things like society and majority is indeed a spook yet I unable to define myself because I can't simply life as I see fit



I can't properly articulate the amalgamation of philosopher baggage I carry on my head but I don't identify with smug atheist who want to destroy or remove what they don't like it don't impose on me and I won't impose on you after all what is spook for one might give some relief from suffering to other also being aware of some philosophy can be negative for you like Mainlânder pointing at how each being is to exhaust themselves in order to free themselves from existing as such is the design of our reality but as Cioran pointed out the individual would rather the whole universe go to shit than it's own existence be nullified once it is and such life can't be denied to be a tragedy no matter how antinatalist or suicidal you are at the core you must have loved yourself even God in that other mentioned philosopher was deemed to off himself out of despair which is deep empathy for yourself as the agony when you feel sorrow for beings you will never meet again because you are affected by it since they can't no longer feel a thing

I also think reincarnation is tranny metaphysics and heaven without individual design is tyranny I don't want to be a different being or be accepted by the fucking herds Ive ben torture all my life and I despise

Thanks. Well, i disagree about the reincarnation bit because you could have been a woman in any other 'life' but you would not remember. Trannies are only a product of the postmodern-industrial complex anyway, not real women, not just because you shred the skin of a dog and sew it wings won't turn him into a bird necessarly speaking (But lets not get there). You cannot actually stop experiencing things, but you can forget entire previous "storylines", which is where the subject of reincarnation comes into view, as there is no discontinuity before "this life" and any other (Where do you go after dead? Well, even if you don't "know" you have to be "somewhere else". Consciousness persists, but memory can be faded away, as it part of the experience). If you could wake up as an actual woman, would you do it? You would forget the "Chisai" character role you're portraying and change it entirely in a way that you were always this other person. Things like Trannism and the metal illness sphere are things that pertain to physicalism views, so you're re looking at the idea of reincarnation under that perspective. "Buddishm is like trooning out" someone else said

On Gods: I think "bowing down" is a religious misconception about these things, spirit work stuff is mostly about getting said spirits to assist you in your endevours on earth. Altought, if you assert them to be a liability or some "lore of the background" of why your life sucks (Like the demiurge meme), well is not that "that's actually happening", you're just giving some background to some experience which doesn't have direct relation with this thought by itslef necessarly.

On Pessimism: I think pessimism it's accidental, a consequence of not keeping perspective on the whole picture. Think: "If my live didn't suck, would i be a pessimist?". It's worth contemplating it, sometimes it happens that in the eat of these sensations, even if we were to have the chance to change these things, people would deny seeing things in a more useful way deniying their ideal because they mostly identify with their shortcomings and limited "human-range" rather than adopting a constructive view and volitionally asserting it.

Lastly, on atheism: I get what you mean. I think we intrinsically sense, at least at first, that there is "something up" with "this world" beyond the present experience of "this is all there is to it", and atheism (As in "there is no such a thing as mystical experiences, we have no power, we depend on the goverment" style atheism, full blow physicalist materialist atheism) seems less and less viable for a lot of people that way. I mean, it's something you can opt for and live, just like any other perspective really, but it seems like a immediatly dead end because it feels like put yourself in bondage for no reason? More or less like the pascal wagger says, but i would put aside christianity, and is more like "the atheist reject the invisible cause and effect" despite living in a world where the metaphysical pervades the physical, just like radio waves pervades electronical devices of communication. I mean, do you seriously believe that things like the Vedas, the Bible, The Enneads etc. were written as novels or pop quiz for ancient people? Really? I feel that they miss the forest for the trees, focusing in some shortcoming and going from there, missing out the exploration aspect.

Take in mind that im not a dualist.

 

[Chisai]

Thanks. Well, i disagree about the reincarnation bit because you could have been a woman in any other 'life' but you would not remember. Trannies are only a product of the postmodern-industrial complex anyway, not real women, not just because you shred the skin of a dog and sew it wings won't turn him into a bird necessarly speaking (But lets not get there). You cannot actually stop experiencing things, but you can forget entire previous "storylines", which is where the subject of reincarnation comes into view, as there is no discontinuity before "this life" and any other (Where do you go after dead? Well, even if you don't "know" you have to be "somewhere else". Consciousness persists, but memory can be faded away, as it part of the experience). If you could wake up as an actual woman, would you do it? You would forget the "Chisai" character role you're portraying and change it entirely in a way that you were always this other person. Things like Trannism and the metal illness sphere are things that pertain to physicalism views, so you're re looking at the idea of reincarnation under that perspective. "Buddishm is like trooning out" someone else said

On Gods: I think "bowing down" is a religious misconception about these things, spirit work stuff is mostly about getting said spirits to assist you in your endevours on earth. Altought, if you assert them to be a liability or some "lore of the background" of why your life sucks (Like the demiurge meme), well is not that "that's actually happening", you're just giving some background to some experience which doesn't have direct relation with this thought by itslef necessarly.

On Pessimism: I think pessimism it's accidental, a consequence of not keeping perspective on the whole picture. Think: "If my live didn't suck, would i be a pessimist?". It's worth contemplating it, sometimes it happens that in the eat of these sensations, even if we were to have the chance to change these things, people would deny seeing things in a more useful way deniying their ideal because they mostly identify with their shortcomings and limited "human-range" rather than adopting a constructive view and volitionally asserting it.

Lastly, on atheism: I get what you mean. I think we intrinsically sense, at least at first, that there is "something up" with "this world" beyond the present experience of "this is all there is to it", and atheism (As in "there is no such a thing as mystical experiences, we have no power, we depend on the goverment" style atheism, full blow physicalist materialist atheism) seems less and less viable for a lot of people that way. I mean, it's something you can opt for and live, just like any other perspective really, but it seems like a immediatly dead end because it feels like put yourself in bondage for no reason? More or less like the pascal wagger says, but i would put aside christianity, and is more like "the atheist reject the invisible cause and effect" despite living in a world where the metaphysical pervades the physical, just like radio waves pervades electronical devices of communication. I mean, do you seriously believe that things like the Vedas, the Bible, The Enneads etc. were written as novels or pop quiz for ancient people? Really? I feel that they miss the forest for the trees, focusing in some shortcoming and going from there, missing out the exploration aspect.

Take in mind that im not a dualist.

i disagree about the reincarnation bit because you could have been a woman in any other 'life' but you would not remember.

Then how is that you? is not difference between this and elements tearing your body to use as nutrient for other beings when you go into a hole as a human? so I was a flower, insect or animal too but it really doesn't matter? besides I always liked the idea of incineration because I don't agree with fueling a world that I never signed for.

You cannot actually stop experiencing things, but you can forget entire previous "storylines", which is where the subject of reincarnation comes into view, as there is no discontinuity before "this life" and any other (Where do you go after dead? Well, even if you don't "know" you have to be "somewhere else". Consciousness persists, but memory can be faded away, as it part of the experience). If you could wake up as an actual woman, would you do it? You would forget the "Chisai" character role you're portraying and change it entirely in a way that you were always this other person. Things like Trannism and the metal illness sphere are things that pertain to physicalism views, so you're re looking at the idea of reincarnation under that perspective. "Buddishm is like trooning out" someone else said

You don't really need to experience reincarnation to see that life on this realm is a joke and so is identity, take a person who gets amnesia and loses all their memories so they get need beliefs and personalities basically no longer the same person and no I would rather be born as an insect the lower my awareness and consciousness the better I'm tired of it so either non human or just erase me, do you not think is not possible to be weary of existence itself? or maybe existence under the programming we are stuck here, what if in other worlds you can switch your appearance and status as you please? would you want it to be removed over a static existence because experiences need to be consistent or identities sacred for each lifetime? it seems to me you take the opposite route the God unit Mainländer did where he was in total freedom outside of reality and he can only choose to be or not to be he choose to move into non existence by splitting into many forms that are wearing each other and themselves down for no reason other than ceasing to be but I think what you mean is each being moves toward existence whenever they like it or not and long for experience even if their lives are filled with bad ones they still long for good ones even sacrificing their vessels to get new ones therefore you think despair is always a masquerade?

On Pessimism: I think pessimism it's accidental, a consequence of not keeping perspective on the whole picture. Think: "If my live didn't suck, would i be a pessimist?". It's worth contemplating it, sometimes it happens that in the eat of these sensations, even if we were to have the chance to change these things, people would deny seeing things in a more useful way deniying their ideal because they mostly identify with their shortcomings and limited "human-range" rather than adopting a constructive view and volitionally asserting it.

mentioned:veen if we were to have the chance to change these things, people would deny seeing things in a more useful way deniying their ideal because they mostly identify with their shortcomings and limited "human-range" rather than adopting a constructive view and volitionally asserting it.

You believe in free will or something alike so all identities are a joke right but we are a in a world bound by them if we could erase every person brain and give them the ideal world I mentioned before where every person can change their appearance and status as they please...do you think depression and suicide would still exists? this is extremely hard to present as who would seek bad experiences except for the natural masochists? and being masochists naturally they wouldn't feel bad emotions about their suffering.

Yes and you said is no constructive to be negative? I think this fall under the optimism bias and regardless whenever a person has a disposition towards pessimism or optimism is not a matter or being succesful or not a loser many rich people kill themselves while poor miserable people cling to their lives and masochists who love war miss limbs, eyes or look pitiful but the motherfuckers enjoy life more than any would think yet none of them realise they didn't choose their natures so they basically puppets on a show no matter how much they enjoy it but enjoyment drugs them out of it