Personal Experience Meditation is not peace, but war.

[Two-jay]

Many people have a mistaken idea of what meditation is. We are often fed this notion that it is something that should feel pleasant or bring us inner peace. All these ideas create an expectation within us about what meditation should be and how it should feel, and if you have read about Buddhism you should know that expectations produce suffering when they are not met. So, when we proceed to meditate with these expectations in mind, we crash into reality, and that reality is that our mind is a machine that is constantly producing thoughts, thoughts that make us suffer. That’s when people begin to say that meditation doesn’t work for them. No, my friend, it’s not that meditation doesn’t work; it’s that you are seeing meditation as a means and not as the end.

Meditation is war; it’s war against yourself, or against your brain, so to speak. Pleasure is a byproduct of meditation, but you shouldn’t meditate because you’re going to feel good. In fact, when you let go of the expectation that meditation will make you feel good, that’s when meditation will ironically make you feel good.

I’m a fairly pessimistic person and somewhat distanced from spirituality, but I still feel that meditation has the potential to free the self from suffering by leading it to unconditionally accept its own condition through brain restructuring. It must be a total acceptance that doesn’t cause suffering, because if you accept the condition but still harbor feelings of resentment, then you’re not truly free. It shows that you still hold hatred towards yourself and the world. But the moment you’re able to accept the ultimate nature of reality (the blackpill) without harboring any resentment, you will become an enlightened being, a being that does not suffer. Welcome to the true Nirvana, my friend.

 

[Mathiverse]

A war that's better to be triggered

 

[newsincerity]

I’m a fairly pessimistic person and somewhat distanced from spirituality, but I still feel that meditation has the potential to free the self from suffering by leading it to unconditionally accept its own condition through brain restructuring.

sounds like brainwashing

It must be a total acceptance that doesn’t cause suffering, because if you accept the condition but still harbor feelings of resentment, then you’re not truly free. It shows that you still hold hatred towards yourself and the world.

Accepting isn't always the right thing to do
I'd rather acknowledge my feelings of resentment and self-hatred as long as they're real

 

[Two-jay]

sounds like brainwashing

For you it is brainwashing. For a person with certain liking for a pessimistic philosphy it can be the salvation of the neurosis propagated by reproduction. For an incel, it is demonic because it doesn't help him reproduce. For a chad, it is unnecessary because he already might get his needs satisfied. For a normie, it could help him free himself of the neurosis propagated by thought in relationships. For x, it will be y.

There are just perspectives and ways of seeing things, honestly. Each persond does what they better can with what they are given.

Accepting isn't always the right thing to do

I honestly wouldn't give too much thought to this. I think that all of this are empty words of no value, mine of course. These are all just perspectives and ways of seeing situations and circumstances that we apply to reality. For some people, it is accepting, for others it is taking action. It heavily depends on the current operating conditioning.

I think that when one reads threads written by another user, one should realize that such a user is projecting its own psychological conditioning onto others, and thus one and him himself commit the mistake of thinking that they can help all each other, but that's not really possible.

I'd rather acknowledge my feelings of resentment and self-hatred as long as they're real

You cannot accept without the proper acknowledging of your emotions, or else you will be bypassing difficult thoughts and emotions which will end up creating shadow aspects within the psyche. You are right, that's the first step actually.

Furthermore, I think that accepting is a empty word. It means many different things to many people. As for me, I don't even know anymore.

 

[Queen Belle]

it’s war against yourself, or against your brain

 

[spooky_Heejin]

I remember being forced to meditate during yoga in PE (I think the PE teacher was gay)

I would always get pissed off that it wasn't helping me relax, in fact it just made things worse because it made me think of everything that's stressing me out.

Meditation is war; it’s war against yourself, or against your brain, so to speak. Pleasure is a byproduct of meditation, but you shouldn’t meditate because you’re going to feel good. In fact, when you let go of the expectation that meditation will make you feel good, that’s when meditation will ironically make you feel good.

Makes sense.

 

[Two-jay]

I remember being forced to meditate during yoga in PE (I think the PE teacher was gay)

I would always get pissed off that it wasn't helping me relax, in fact it just made things worse because it made me think of everything that's stressing me out.

Makes sense.

Yes, that the "problem" when you start meditating. It makes the underlying neurosis more evident to the conscious mind. There is the possibility of trauma surging to the surface too.

In a way, I think that meditation simply shows you those parts of you that you have to attend first so that it can be peaceful and pleasurable. If not it becomes a total mess and as you perfectly say, you end up going more neurotic when trying to meditate.

 

[spooky_Heejin]

Yes, that the "problem" when you start meditating. It makes the underlying neurosis more evident to the conscious mind. There is the possibility of trauma surging to the surface too.

In a way, I think that meditation simply shows you those parts of you that you have to attend first so that it can be peaceful and pleasurable. If not it becomes a total mess and as you perfectly say, you end up going more neurotic when trying to meditate.

I also just get bored and want to do something else. I'd rather walk or something.