There's a huge problem with tribalism and "identity" as a whole

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Essentially, viewing yourself as a member of groups.
Race, country, politics, even friends and family. Anything you tie to your identity.
All it does it hold you back. Think of that common quote among depressed normies. The idea of being suicidal, but dissuaded because you don't want to hurt your family.

I bring up tribes and identity, but it's really your humanity you need to discard entirely. It gives you unlimited freedom. You don't attach yourself to ideals you don't truly care for anymore.
Think of NEETdom and the communities here. NEETdom is the most logical choice to take, conserving as much energy/resources as possible. There are some cases where work is necessary yes, but most people can live off of their parents, yet don't, not due to any genuine passion, but societal pressures and fear of being a burden.
This isn't exclusive to normies. Even among outcasts. A lot of beliefs are held here purely because people want to be part of the group. A lot of the nonsensical views espoused on .org, I doubt many people actually believe them. They just like feeling part of a group, even if it is one as outcasted. Perhaps that's part of the appeal, since the views are so extreme that by default you are part of a group for having those views, or since they've been outcasted from normie society they can't integrate with them.
I've made this point before. It's ironic to me that a lot of the PSLsphere hates normies... while essentnially being failed normies themselves. Their behavior is the exact same.
Most users post the exact same recycled content, have the same opinions, the same recycled typing style, the vast majority of people wouldn't be recognizable by personality alone except for the absolute laughing stock jokes.
The superiority complex about believing in the blackpill (aka, looks being law) which is really just water and completely obvious is much like normies thinking they're being groundbreaking and fighting the establishment by supporting black lives matter or claiming to want to kill pedophiles. All trite.
One more thing I noticed, a lot of people shape their entire reactions based off of how they think they're "supposed" to react as a member of a certain identity group. Ever think it's weird how similar people of certain groups are (eg, gays all having similar voices, anyone who has lived around east Asian Americans can tell you how they all have the exact same interest in mobile games and sense of humor, and this holds up in areas with even few east Asians). Sure, you can say part of it is genetic, but a lot of it is them viewing themselves as a member x group, so only doing what a member x group would do. This can be tied to a variety of things that I'll get into in more detail a little later.

The point I'm getting to is that this runs so deep in society and humanity. Ultimately, everything we discuss about morality is connected to tribalism and identity. We deem certain groups as close to us, pure, righteous, "good", and certain groups as bad, "evil", the enemy. Then we justify violence against these groups, even claim it's moral: the example I brought up earlier of normies wanting to kill pedophiles and whatnot. Yet there's no real benefit gained from wishing harm against a group. It simply creates more suffering in the world. The objective should be to simply eliminate whatever causes the original suffering. But of course, that's not what people are looking for. They want an excuse to take out their violent urges while feeling "right". This is another form of it: it's what society and their identities have told them their entire lives, that this is wrong, and they limit themselves because of it. They want to fit their image of a "good person" and distort the truth for it, but what value is there in that?
If you want to be truly free, if you want to let go of yourself, you need to let go of those identities. Forget about yourself as anything, white, black, incel, male, NEET, whatever. Live only for yourself.
Forget all the pressures that hold you back. About your parents expectations, societies expectations, your peers expectations. The truth is that life is struggle and competition inherently. Any grain of food you eat, is a grain that someone else could not eat. Every sip of water you take is a sip that someone else did not drink. Any single cent that you make is a cent taken from someone else.
Besides, it should be fairly obvious. It's your life. You live entirely through your own perception. Forget anything that exists outside of that.
 
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They are oversocialized. They have a constant need for group approval and base their views on the consensus. Any attempt to think or feel outside the socially accepted framework imposes a severe burden. Think something in the vain of minimal group paradigm, where they investigate the conditions for what is required for discrimination to occur.
 
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They are oversocialized. They have a constant need for group approval and base their views on the consensus. Any attempt to think or feel outside the socially accepted framework imposes a severe burden. Think something in the vain of minimal group paradigm, where they investigate the conditions for what is required for discrimination to occur.
It's not just socially accepted but whatever group you view yourself as part of. Not only that but having a connection to anyone or anything, family, race, ideology banners, self identities... etc. You need to abandon all of that.
 
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as if you could willingly hide behind a veil of ignorance. normie identity is subsumptive, nothing can be bracketed in the way you're describing -- nonconformism is just conformity in the other direction, it's the same howler as purporting that "all people are equal" against the claim that people are mindless, glassy-eyed automata. but i agree, tribalism is no better than cattle-branding, each in-group has its own host of contradictions no better than the other. even lookist phraseology tries to veil this fact, unfortunately...
 
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Essentially, viewing yourself as a member of groups.
Race, country, politics, even friends and family. Anything you tie to your identity.
All it does it hold you back. Think of that common quote among depressed normies. The idea of being suicidal, but dissuaded because you don't want to hurt your family.

I bring up tribes and identity, but it's really your humanity you need to discard entirely. It gives you unlimited freedom. You don't attach yourself to ideals you don't truly care for anymore.
Think of NEETdom and the communities here. NEETdom is the most logical choice to take, conserving as much energy/resources as possible. There are some cases where work is necessary yes, but most people can live off of their parents, yet don't, not due to any genuine passion, but societal pressures and fear of being a burden.
This isn't exclusive to normies. Even among outcasts. A lot of beliefs are held here purely because people want to be part of the group. A lot of the nonsensical views espoused on .org, I doubt many people actually believe them. They just like feeling part of a group, even if it is one as outcasted. Perhaps that's part of the appeal, since the views are so extreme that by default you are part of a group for having those views, or since they've been outcasted from normie society they can't integrate with them.
I've made this point before. It's ironic to me that a lot of the PSLsphere hates normies... while essentnially being failed normies themselves. Their behavior is the exact same.
Most users post the exact same recycled content, have the same opinions, the same recycled typing style, the vast majority of people wouldn't be recognizable by personality alone except for the absolute laughing stock jokes.
The superiority complex about believing in the blackpill (aka, looks being law) which is really just water and completely obvious is much like normies thinking they're being groundbreaking and fighting the establishment by supporting black lives matter or claiming to want to kill pedophiles. All trite.
One more thing I noticed, a lot of people shape their entire reactions based off of how they think they're "supposed" to react as a member of a certain identity group. Ever think it's weird how similar people of certain groups are (eg, gays all having similar voices, anyone who has lived around east Asian Americans can tell you how they all have the exact same interest in mobile games and sense of humor, and this holds up in areas with even few east Asians). Sure, you can say part of it is genetic, but a lot of it is them viewing themselves as a member x group, so only doing what a member x group would do. This can be tied to a variety of things that I'll get into in more detail a little later.

The point I'm getting to is that this runs so deep in society and humanity. Ultimately, everything we discuss about morality is connected to tribalism and identity. We deem certain groups as close to us, pure, righteous, "good", and certain groups as bad, "evil", the enemy. Then we justify violence against these groups, even claim it's moral: the example I brought up earlier of normies wanting to kill pedophiles and whatnot. Yet there's no real benefit gained from wishing harm against a group. It simply creates more suffering in the world. The objective should be to simply eliminate whatever causes the original suffering. But of course, that's not what people are looking for. They want an excuse to take out their violent urges while feeling "right". This is another form of it: it's what society and their identities have told them their entire lives, that this is wrong, and they limit themselves because of it. They want to fit their image of a "good person" and distort the truth for it, but what value is there in that?
If you want to be truly free, if you want to let go of yourself, you need to let go of those identities. Forget about yourself as anything, white, black, incel, male, NEET, whatever. Live only for yourself.
Forget all the pressures that hold you back. About your parents expectations, societies expectations, your peers expectations. The truth is that life is struggle and competition inherently. Any grain of food you eat, is a grain that someone else could not eat. Every sip of water you take is a sip that someone else did not drink. Any single cent that you make is a cent taken from someone else.
Besides, it should be fairly obvious. It's your life. You live entirely through your own perception. Forget anything that exists outside of that.
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