Theory Thoughts on The Redpill and Incels

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Thoughts on The Redpill and Incels

The “Pill” jargon is a meme for “awakening” via a shift in worldview. The Matrix uses red vs. blue to frame a choice between staying in a comfortable, simulated reality (blue) and confronting an uncomfortable truth (red).

Baudrillard’s “hyperreality” (and related ideas like simulation) argues that in modern media-saturated life, signs and models don’t merely represent reality — they can replace or outgrow the very reality they claim to describe. How useful is each worldview to your happiness?

The pills do not build on one another and are not intersectional or compatible at all.

The Bluepill
The bluepill is "pill" jargon for naively accepting everything broadcast on mainstream media on human behaviour (dating) and real life. Bluepillers autistically take bad romantic plotlines seriously and do not see nuance. They believe in a just-world fallacy, virtue-signal their beliefs and attack uncomfortable truths. This is often destructive for those dealing with the uncomfortable truths and trying to grow out of those situations (dating ruts).

The blackpill is a different type of the bluepill from a smaller subculture. It was first used by a commenter on an anti-feminist blog to describe political solutions to dating. It moves the focus from self-improvement to politics and the overton window, and then back to mainstream media.

The Redpill
In the early 2000s, the PUA and “red pill” scene was largely an offline, peer-to-peer learning culture. The “practical” emphasis was on getting out and running reps — observing strangers, starting low-stakes conversations, learning how to read attraction/opposition in real time, and iterating fast — rather than abstract philosophy. If "touch grass" was a community of forums, it would have been the redpill between 2000 and 2010. Men traded practical advice and strategies on working out, fashion, social skills and dating. The early 2000s redpill scene (RSD, PUA etc.) was completely apolitical and focused on self-improvement and real life results.

In 2010s things started to change and posters from /pol/stein and stormfront started to raid the redpill spaces, the redpill gained a new meaning on top of rejecting the bluepill and dating advice. Online influencers and content creators started to join the new rejection of the bluepill and started to post their takes on the redpill. What began as an unplugged network of self-improvement communities was derailed by new influencers, political funding and podcasters. The new "redpillers" argue with women and debate politics.

Thoughts
1. The "pills" change over time and do not mean the same things anymore.
The "redpill" changed from practical PUAs to /pol/ posters and cringe podcasters and the "blackpill" evolved from defeatists to looksmaxxers who are more like the PUA 20 years ago than the original incels who rejected them. Everyone is selling their looksmaxxing protocol. The worldviews are not the same anymore.

2. The "pills" have no practical use anymore
There's nothing stopping you from looking for practical dating advice online. Every dating coach has a social media channel and you can find what works for you. The old "redpillers" do not advertise as redpillers.

It's cringe to use the pill jargon now because it has been completely taken over by blackpill "incels", extremists and cringe podcasters. If you use the jargon today you will be associated with Clavicular and Lamarcus's incel soft power. They're all incels and chuds now.

 

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I debunked baudrillard already. Mine is a debunk that has not been solved even by a tranny that is a maoist organizer, she got 130 IQ and she had to admit I was right and baudrillard is complete BS.

I also debunked the other 9 interpretations of the redpill-bluepill. In case yuor next thought is gona be "Its all related gnosticism" I debunked that too.

I mean, i already debunked your next 8 or 9 steps before you will take them. But if you want we can proceed with steps, so I show you my debunk of baudrillard, its unchallenged uncontested.

Not even trannies I showed it to were able to contest it, and most of them had sociology title or similar. The tranny that challenged m was a maoist with 2 titles: economy and engineering.

I won. I wonder what you can do against my total devastation of Baudrillard. most incels resort to slander when I break all their copes, dreams and aspirations.

 

[Shinrinken]

Question, are you just calling anyone you disagree with a "Incel" or do you make sure they would be single, without kids, etc? I mean how many times have we seem people try to push the "incel" term on someone who fucking married and with kids? As for the Red, Blue, White, and Black Pills. It's just slang people have been using. Everything kind of changes over time, from "staying woke" to being called "woke." Or hell the classic term "Yankee" changing depending when and where you are.

 

[Wolfstorm]

They didn't touch the whitepill yet, not in the same extent they did to the redpill and blackpill.
They attacked tulpamancy, though. I remember in early 2000s it was all about esotericism, there were discussions in mailing lists and no reference to trannies and furries. Then in 2010s there is a huge effort to make it into a psychological phenomena, associated with induced personality disorder (aka tranny training).
Since 90% of tulpamancers on the internet today are fake, one of the main doors to the whitepill was closed, and for this reason the grifters dont talk about it too much. But there are other doors, like stoicism, and they had already made some inroads into it. Fortunatelly some machiavellians rescued stoicism from cuckoldry and fused the two doctrines, instead of feeding a artificial opposition between them.

 

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Question, are you just calling anyone you disagree with a "Incel" or do you make sure they would be single, without kids, etc? I mean how many times have we seem people try to push the "incel" term on someone who fucking married and with kids? As for the Red, Blue, White, and Black Pills. It's just slang people have been using. Everything kind of changes over time, from "staying woke" to being called "woke." Or hell the classic term "Yankee" changing depending when and where you are.

Not sure if you'll even engage but I'll take the bait. I have posted threads on this topic.

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"?

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"? In social media and legacy media there are many references to: Incel culture ("jfl", "it's over", "sub5", "subhuman" etc.) Incel communities (*.is, other platforms etc.) "Incel ideology" (mentioned in the news) What is this "Incel ideology" which...

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Whitepill - ✉️ Message to the "Incels"

[This is a cross-post from .org]: Original thread link Boyos, You don't have to be an "incel" because you don't have to believe that you are one. It's an invented word, you don't have to chase sex to validate yourself for others, do it for yourself. There's two meanings to the term "incel"...

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Question, are you just calling anyone you disagree with a "Incel" or do you make sure they would be single, without kids, etc?

"Incel" is an invented identity, incels made up the term and gatekeep who gets to use it. Everyone else using the term is a "fakecel". If you ask the normies who the incel is, they usually point to loners with awkward vibes.

I mean how many times have we seem people try to push the "incel" term on someone who fucking married and with kids?

Yeah, that's the use of the word as a shaming tactic to prevent men from talking about dating and sex and from expressing certain views. Types invested in the bluepill use it to shutdown conversation and protect their worldview. It is what it is.

The Game (mind game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Game is a mind game in which the objective is to avoid thinking about The Game itself. Thinking about The Game constitutes a loss, which must be announced each time it occurs. It is impossible to win most versions of The Game. Depending on the variation, it is held all over the world, or all those who are aware of the game, are playing it at all times. Tactics have been developed to increase the number of people who are aware of The Game, and thereby increase the number of losses.

For some autists it's a definition that they suffer when they observe it on themselves. That's really the only way to suffer from "inceldom", knowing the word and looking at the mirror. They had no chance of learning how to keep up with the games adults play. "Incel" is just a game you lose if as a male you let you apparent singleness define you.

The guys over at 4chan /pol/stein usually fit the definitions.

 

[Shinrinken]

Not sure if you'll even engage but I'll take the bait. I have posted threads on this topic.

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"?

What is an incel? What is "Incel ideology"? In social media and legacy media there are many references to: Incel culture ("jfl", "it's over", "sub5", "subhuman" etc.) Incel communities (*.is, other platforms etc.) "Incel ideology" (mentioned in the news) What is this "Incel ideology" which...

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Whitepill - ✉️ Message to the "Incels"

[This is a cross-post from .org]: Original thread link Boyos, You don't have to be an "incel" because you don't have to believe that you are one. It's an invented word, you don't have to chase sex to validate yourself for others, do it for yourself. There's two meanings to the term "incel"...

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"Incel" is an invented identity, incels made up the term and gatekeep who gets to use it. Everyone else using the term is a "fakecel". If you ask the normies who the incel is, they usually point to loners with awkward vibes.


Yeah, that's the use of the word as a shaming tactic to prevent men from talking about dating and sex and from expressing certain views. Types invested in the bluepill use it to shutdown conversation and protect their worldview. It is what it is.

The Game (mind game) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For some autists it's a definition that they suffer when they observe it on themselves. That's really the only way to suffer from "inceldom", knowing the word and looking at the mirror. They had no chance of learning how to keep up with the games adults play.

The guys over at 4chan /pol/stein usually fit the definitions.

Thanks lot of making me lose the game now. LOL

Are the "incels" even really still around. I am pretty sure most people just use the term now like when people push the you're a "virgin" and all back in the day. Basically something to shut down the conversation and shame them into silence.

 

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Thanks lot of making me lose the game now. LOL

Are the "incels" even really still around. I am pretty sure most people just use the term now like when people push the you're a "virgin" and all back in the day. Basically something to shut down the conversation and shame them into silence.

I'm glad you enjoyed my post!

There are many groups of incels and I'm only really aware of two: the Lamarcus sphere which took over from reddit and PSL, and the blackpill club. They have their own histories and most trace their lineages back to Alana's original forum. I don't think that the original "incels" are really around anymore, I think they've just moved on just like the PUAs.

I miss the time before "incels" and internet feminists, things were more fun and innocent for men.

 

[Shinrinken]

I'm glad you enjoyed my post!

There are many groups of incels and I'm only really aware of two: the Lamarcus sphere which took over from reddit and PSL, and the blackpill club. They have their own histories and most trace their lineages back to Alana's original forum. I don't think that the original "incels" are really around anymore, I think they've just moved on just like the PUAs.

I miss the time before "incels" and internet feminists, things were more fun and innocent for men.

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Same, though I got to admit for the most part. It kind of clear, people don't know what the word really means and it's just a childish insult in hopes of silencing the other side or at least getting people to no listen to them.

 

[Wolfstorm]

Thanks lot of making me lose the game now. LOL

Are the "incels" even really still around. I am pretty sure most people just use the term now like when people push the you're a "virgin" and all back in the day. Basically something to shut down the conversation and shame them into silence.

Before virgin it was Hitler, remember? Everyone people disagreed with was a nazi.

 

[Wolfstorm]

I think they've just moved on just like the PUAs.

You move on until married cucks gossip about you, and the gossip eventually turns into slander.
Then you are reminded you are an incel, but you might also be reminded you are a neet, which makes them jealous, since they are wagies.

>he does not need to wage, and he does not depend on a foid? heresy!
>from where he is making all that money? he is probably a criminal!

Man, I wish I could live in a tower, and receive all my orders by drone.

 

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You move on until married cucks gossip about you, and the gossip eventually turns into slander.
Then you are reminded you are an incel, but you might also be reminded you are a neet, which makes them jealous, since they are wagies.

>he does not need to wage, and he does not depend on a foid? heresy!
>from where he is making all that money? he is probably a criminal!

Man, I wish I could live in a tower, and receive all my orders by drone.

It's called envy

Thay have to protect their worldview at all costs. "Incel" is really a reframe of the male condition and incel hate is really disguised misandry. It's actually why I think there will be a decline in the male population before the current economic model changes. If the misandry doesn't change and stays constant, people will start to think ahead with it in mind when planning their families.

Theory - There will be a male deflation before a post-scarcity world

There will be a male deflation before a post-scarcity world The Leviathan will not stop at porn. I'm against porn, but the way the ban is being done points to something darker behind it. They dont just want to ban hardcore porn, but every kind of erotic manifestation, like games and anime for...

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Paragon first coined the blackpill in a blog when he said that you have to change the society to get most men partners. Well, if the society doesn't change, the population will. He geomaxxed and married in the end.

 

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Thoughts on The Whitepill

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I still believe that the pills do not build on one another and are not intersectional or compatible at all. The redpill personal solutions mindset is not compatible with the blackpill political solutions mindset at all. The whitepill feels like a return to the redpill mindset after accepting the uncomfortable truths and recognising the limitations of self-improvement, you still improve your life.

The Whitepill
The term has it's history back in 2017 in online discourse and does not credit it's origin to anyone in particular. Later, a model and an interpretation of the pill jargon as a pill universe was created by SergeantIncel. In this model the pills are sequential starting with the blue and finishing with the black and each pill proceeds from the last. I do not agree with this model at all because the bluepill beliefs in the mainstream media and the community based redpill and blackpill are all profoundly incompatible with each other. They do not support each other at all and they produce different worldviews and attitudes.

The “whitepill” points to a particular stance on life, after fully facing uncomfortable truths — those that people often avoid, deny, or label as taboos —the person tries to maximize happiness in a way that does not depend on denial or fantasy. It's focus is in creating fulfilling lifestyles without the copeful behaviour of bluepillers or even some redpillers (sometimes improvement is not possible). The framing of the whitepill is not a grievance based political ideology like the blackpill, it is a shift towards acceptance and realism. It is about building a good life from what is actually there.

From that angle, the whitepill tends to encourage exploration of philosophies that support resilience and meaning after disillusionment. It focuses less on “fixing reality” and more on examining what you can control, your choices, habits, relationships, values, and daily practices. It is a disillusionment with the typical blackpill attitudes of active nihilism and LDARing online, there must be something better out there.

Whitepill - Should "White Pill" leave the identity/term "incel" behind?

Should "White Pill" leave the identity/term "incel" behind? >> Private poll in the Elysium subforum "What is inceldom?"

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Whitepill - ✉️ Message to the "Incels"

[This is a cross-post from .org]: Original thread link Boyos, You don't have to be an "incel" because you don't have to believe that you are one. It's an invented word, you don't have to chase sex to validate yourself for others, do it for yourself. There's two meanings to the term "incel"...

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The end state of the journey is the “return to mundane life”, leaving behind the endless meta-narrative of pill talk and beginning to talk like a normal adult. To grow up from the "-maxxing" lingo.

Thoughts
I think that the mainstream media corporations, academia and businesses owning dating apps should be held publicly accountable for all toxicity in the online dating communities. The 80/20 statistic was published by the Match group which owns online dating apps which depend on profile pictures (lookism). It is no surprise that when the mainstream media distributes bluepill delusions and the profile picture based dating apps are designed to keep people single to profit from loneliness, you start to see blackpill communities to form. Men are not crazy for noticing the patterns.

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The bluepill and it's romanticised lies about love are the most dangerous things to human happiness because of their capacity in misleading away from achieving happiness in the real world. Baudrillard's pill jargon is the dystopian coming of age story in the industral world that Theodore Kaczynski predicted, growing up in a world of cheaters (in business, in politics and in love).