Philosophy Why does death exist for humanity ?

[Thompson]

Eve ate the fruit

 

[Schwarzwald]

Eve ate the fruit

That bitch.

 

[Chisai]

That bitch.

So why didn't god stone her and left Adam and all innocent animals alone?

 

[Schwarzwald]

So why didn't god stone her and left Adam and all innocent animals alone?

He was a simp and ate the apple too, it's a real tale about how a whore will bring you down if you simp for her to much. Imagine you, you're in the garden and dog is directly talking to you and pampering you. He sees all the other animes have mates but you, so her makes one for you, of you. He tells you "Ay yo niggah don't be eating from this true it will fuck you up for life..." And lets you know " all Dez othere bitch ass fruit are Gucci to eat..." Your whore woman (who you don't know very well seeing as you just meet her) says some fuck boi creature, the snake, is spitting game at her and says old man God is wrong and the apple will give you fruit and you listen to this whore and eat the fruit. Niggah you both fucked up and that's hood logic! Now both you out on yo ass!

Jokes aside, he listen to his woman not God so yes he gets punished too.

 

[Deleted member 584]

Contrary to common belief, the “Original Sin” was not Adam’s violation of God’s law when he ate from the forbidden tree. The original sin was our failure to uphold God’s absolute authority during the Great Feud. If the human person convinces his or her jinn companion to denounce that original sin, and uphold God’s absolute authority, both creatures are redeemed to God’s eternal kingdom on the Day of Judgment. But if the jinn companion convinces the human being to uphold Satan’s idolatrous views, then both creatures are exiled forever from God’s kingdom.

 

[Chisai]

Contrary to common belief, the “Original Sin” was not Adam’s violation of God’s law when he ate from the forbidden tree. The original sin was our failure to uphold God’s absolute authority during the Great Feud. If the human person convinces his or her jinn companion to denounce that original sin, and uphold God’s absolute authority, both creatures are redeemed to God’s eternal kingdom on the Day of Judgment. But if the jinn companion convinces the human being to uphold Satan’s idolatrous views, then both creatures are exiled forever from God’s kingdom.

He was a simp and ate the apple too, it's a real tale about how a whore will bring you down if you simp for her to much. Imagine you, you're in the garden and dog is directly talking to you and pampering you. He sees all the other animes have mates but you, so her makes one for you, of you. He tells you "Ay yo niggah don't be eating from this true it will fuck you up for life..." And lets you know " all Dez othere bitch ass fruit are Gucci to eat..." Your whore woman (who you don't know very well seeing as you just meet her) says some fuck boi creature, the snake, is spitting game at her and says old man God is wrong and the apple will give you fruit and you listen to this whore and eat the fruit. Niggah you both fucked up and that's hood logic! Now both you out on yo ass!

Jokes aside, he listen to his woman not God so yes he gets punished too.

True about Adam but according to lore animals didn't even need to devour each other in Eden so humanity doomed them all

 

[Deleted member 584]

True about Adam but according to lore animals didn't even need to devour each other in Eden so humanity doomed them all

That's Hard rock. God is the Best Seer.

 

[Schwarzwald]

True about Adam but according to lore animals didn't even need to devour each other in Eden so humanity doomed them all

I was reading a fun idea that all of Jewish/Christian/Muslim (basically all the Abrahamic cults) are just post Ragnarok and are the new religions of the world, I'm not saying that true but it's fun to think about.

And by Jewish and Christian standards animals don't have souls and are basically just biological robots running natures script, we broke that by eating the fucking fruit lol.

Or you believe in gnostic ideas and then shit goes sideways with the stories. So like a 4/5 D shadow projecting onto 3d space it looks different from any angle you look at it.

 

[Chisai]

I was reading a fun idea that all of Jewish/Christian/Muslim (basically all the Abrahamic cults) are just post Ragnarok and are the new religions of the world, I'm not saying that true but it's fun to think about.

And by Jewish and Christian standards animals don't have souls and are basically just biological robots running natures script, we broke that by eating the fucking fruit lol.

Or you believe in gnostic ideas and then shit goes sideways with the stories. So like a 4/5 D shadow projecting onto 3d space it looks different from any angle you look at it.

I appreciate gnostic stuff but some of it really makes me butthurt like sophia being absolved of everything when she causes all the problems but only demiurge is blamed it kinda pisses me off

 

[Schwarzwald]

I appreciate gnostic stuff but some of it really makes me butthurt like sophia being absolved of everything when she causes all the problems but only demiurge is blamed it kinda pisses me off.

Sophia immediately feels Remorse. She realizes she stepped out of line and "wept many tears." The Gnostic texts say her "Repentance" is what allows the higher light to eventually trickle down to save us.

The reason the Demiurge gets the "blame" isn't just because he exists; it’s because of his Arrogance. Unlike Sophia, who repented, the Demiurge looked at the empty void and said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me."

It isn't about Sophia and seeing a "woman getting away with a mistake," while sees the Demiurge as a "male being blamed for just doing his job." (Personally I don't think higher being should be look at with sexes but it's how our 3d brains work) Sophia represents Wisdom that overstepped. The Demiurge represents Ignorance that refuses to admit it’s wrong.

It's all about how they reacted and acted after they made mistakes. It's actually really good story about making mistakes.

But I'm happy to discuss it.

 

[Chisai]

Sophia immediately feels Remorse. She realizes she stepped out of line and "wept many tears." The Gnostic texts say her "Repentance" is what allows the higher light to eventually trickle down to save us.

The reason the Demiurge gets the "blame" isn't just because he exists; it’s because of his Arrogance. Unlike Sophia, who repented, the Demiurge looked at the empty void and said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me."

It isn't about Sophia and seeing a "woman getting away with a mistake," while sees the Demiurge as a "male being blamed for just doing his job." (Personally I don't think higher being should be look at with sexes but it's how our 3d brains work) Sophia represents Wisdom that overstepped. The Demiurge represents Ignorance that refuses to admit it’s wrong.

It's all about how they reacted and acted after they made mistakes. It's actually really good story about making mistakes.

But I'm happy to discuss it.

But in lore she creates him then leaves him to despair in the void and demiurge out of boredom because what pride could he have when is the only one who existed or seemed to exist as he was left to rot? what else could he do? even if you take Mainlander idea of God's commiting suicide to from existence to non existence what else could he do really just kill himself or create? and yes he might be ignorant but did pleroma, sophia or the Monad cared for his suffering? from the way I see it he created more suffering out of suffering she created so the least she could do was to go and remove him

 

[Chisai]

Another problem I have with gnosticism is the multiple personalities of Jesus like he says very nice things like "blessed are the solitary" but then in another gnostic text he makes fun of judas instead of trying to save him or something like that he says something along the lines "you are part of the rulers of this world" I don't get it why didn't he try to save his friend from becoming a traitor bastard if he knew what was going to happen too?

 

[Deleted member 584]

even if you take Mainlander idea of God's commiting suicide

The Ever-Living?

 

[Wolfstorm]

Because entropy. Everything in the material world rots and dies, so do our physical bodies.

 

[Selevan]

come on vro

 

[ZZEBRA813]

Eve ate the fruit

what a whore

 

[Ishmael]

Any time Lilith is brought into the 'canon' as a person or a wife, it’s basically just Jewish folklore/fanfiction from the 8th–10th century, or cool occult/anime stuff like Shin Megami Tensei and Evangelion.
By the time that 'first wife' story was even written down, the Christian and Muslim canons were already long finished and set in stone. In the actual religious texts, she’s non-existent.

From what I can gather, the term "lilithu' was a Canaanite word that meant evil screeching spirit/demon. There is a single mention of this word in the Bible and the literature is as you said, only really in the secondary retellings of Creation and the early days.

In Isaiah (34:14) the word DOES appear in the Hebrew;

"וּפָגְשׁ֤וּ צִיִּים֙ אֶת־אִיִּ֔ים וְשָׂעִ֖יר עַל־רֵעֵ֣הוּ יִקְרָ֑א אַךְ־שָׁם֙ הִרְגִּ֣יעָה לִּילִ֔ית וּמָצְאָ֥ה לָ֖הּ מָנֽוֹח׃ "

or

"...Wildcats shall meet hyenas,
Goat-demons shall greet each other;
There too the lilith shall repose
And find herself a resting place."


And as you can obviously tell by just this verse alone there is a spiritual/demonic context. The surrounding verses share this. So obviously despite the direct translation (which is horrible) as "screech owl" or similar (KJV says "night creature"), the original connotation is kept. From what evidence I can recall we have on the original word, it was a spirit associated with preying on pregnant women, women in childbirth and young children.


Once again, this is the ONLY mention of 'lilith' in the entire Hebrew Bible and it has nothing to do with Adam or Eve or creation at all; it is simply referencing a specific demon. There's nothing more until you get to medieval Kabballah where we begin see the literature about Lilith the entity rather than a demon class or descriptor. We also begin to see the inherent sexual nature of the rest of Kabballah if you pay attention and actually pick up on the subtle messages they implanted to entice younger spiritually active men to 'learn more'. Once you find out why Rabbi Akiva wanted the Song of Songs (Solomon's Song) in the Tanakh, you begin to realize why it doesn't need to be there and why it's ALSO another breadcrumb for Kabballah. You'll never read it the same again.