Spirituality Grimoires & Occult discussion, an overarching discussion.

[newsincerity]

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It treats the entire Kabbalistic tree of life as a flawed, load bearing structure, a Demiurge prison built from 'dead light' designed to keep your consciousness on a 3.5D loop.

isnt all of the occult?
for someone to write an occult book they need 'insipiration' from the ether
these beings don't do this for free
you want to free yourself but you're already playing into the hands of some entities that are part of the simulation trap

edit: I know it's just something cool to talk about with online friends
another way we pass time in the simulation another game to waste time with another external thing we elevate above ourselves because that's what we're taught to do since an infant in this simulation

 

[Mentalatte]

isnt all of the occult?
for someone to write an occult book they need 'insipiration' from the ether
these beings don't do this for free
you want to free yourself but you're already playing into the hands of some entities that are part of the simulation trap

This is exactly what I heard from some of the orthodox religions

 

[Schwarzwald]

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This one is Sorcery as Virtual Mechanics by Stephen Mace (tiny 41-page beast from ‘88, second edition ‘99). Not a grimoire with sigils and candles and demon pussy rituals. It’s more like a cold-ass cybernetics manual that looks at magic and goes “okay but how does this shit actually work on a systems level?”
Mace basically says sorcery isn’t mysticism or faith or “vibrate higher.” It’s virtual mechanics — you’re injecting symbolic pressure into the probability field of reality so the simulation reroutes around your intent. Sigils, rituals, words of power? They’re not talking to spirits, they’re buffer overflows and targeted noise in the informational substrate. Think Feynman diagrams meets chaos theory meets Spare’s sigil tech, but stripped down to “here’s the exploit code, now test it yourself.”

Where Sitra Achra hands you the delete key for the whole hologram and Picatrix says “nah let’s keep the machine running but hijack the admin console,” this book is the rootkit tutorial that explains how the fuck any of it actually functions at the code level. No LARP, no lineage, no “believe harder.” Just pure applied systems theory: experiment, measure the bend in probability, iterate.

 

[Schwarzwald]

isnt all of the occult?
for someone to write an occult book they need 'insipiration' from the ether
these beings don't do this for free
you want to free yourself but you're already playing into the hands of some entities that are part of the simulation trap

edit: I know it's just something cool to talk about with online friends
another way we pass time in the simulation another game to waste time with another external thing we elevate above ourselves because that's what we're taught to do since an infant in this simulation

Fair point on the “all occult is just feeding entities” angle.

I get where you’re coming from, any time you engage with this stuff you’re opening doors, and yeah, not every inspiration comes for free. But I don’t see it as automatically trapping you. Reading Sitra Achra doesn’t mean I’m now a card carrying anticosmic cultist any more than reading Mein Kampf makes someone a Nazi or reading Marx makes someone a commie. I’ve read both of those too, and I’m still just some guy on a forum trying to understand the mechanics behind the books, not signing up for the team.

For me the thread is more like “here’s the delete-key grimoire, here’s the admin-password grimoire, here’s the how-the-engine-actually-works book.” I’m curious how people react to the contrast, not trying to recruit anyone into anything.

So when you say it’s all part of the simulation trap… what does that look like for you in practice? Do you think any engagement with occult material is automatically feeding the loop, or is there a way to study it without getting hooked? Honest take, I’m not here to dunk, just to talk it through.

I don't know about everyone else; but when I was informed on the 'necropants' ritual from the Scandinavian area, it originally was simply said to be some weird thing that 'they' (vague) did. Then later I was told it was some kind of specific ritual but I never looked into it. Well, upon researching apparently it was a one-off instance and the scrotum had coins in it bearing Solomonistic sigils/imagery that either was connected to a Scandinavian black book, or a similar ritual for fortune known at the time was adapted to the necropants concept.
The main point however is that the coins had Jewish imagery on them. I found that interesting and it turns out that Kabbalah (But specifically Christian Cabala more than Jewish Kabbalah) was transmitted into the region through Christianity spreading and is what led to a fusion of black/white magic and Christian themes across a significant amount of Europe. You can find magic books in Czech that have Crosses all over them but will instruct you on how to raise a corpse to lead you to buried treasure. Insane!

You are absolutely correct! Institutional Christianity has effectively become the Pharisee authority at a global level and has completely corrupted the ability to understand, let alone have a proper relationship, with Christ or God. I always err towards what God wants over what someone can interpret for you, but you were given free will.

interesting take on the necropants and Christian Cabala mixing into European magic.

I can see the historical point — a lot of Western occult stuff is this weird fusion of Solomonic, Kabbalistic, and Christian elements. But when you say institutional Christianity became the Pharisee authority and corrupted the relationship with Christ… what does the “real” version look like to you in practice? Is it still operating inside the same biblical framework, or is there a point where even that framework starts feeling like another layer of the simulation?

I’m not here to argue for or against any path — I’m just dropping the books and watching how different minds react to the contrast between “burn the whole thing” (Sitra Achra) and “hack the machine” (Picatrix). Your Jesus-centered take is one of the more thoughtful ones so far.

Honest question: when you read something like Sitra Achra that says the entire tree (including the Christian patch) is dead light prison code, does that register as dangerous, or just another perspective to examine?

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Blast from the past! The Japanese really love western occultist practice I wounder why...

 

[Schwarzwald]

The western esoteric traditions : a historical introduction : Goodrick-Clarke, Nicholas : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

viii, 286 p. : 25 cm

archive.org

This is a calm, scholarly, and gives the “big picture map” of where all this weird shit actually came from (Hermeticism to Renaissance magic to Rosicrucianism to 19th/20th century occult revival). It treats esotericism as a legitimate counter current in Western culture instead of dismissing it as crazy.

Esotericism in Western Culture: Counter-Normativity and Rejected Knowledge

This accessible introduction by the world’s leading expert explains why the study of esotericism is not a marginal pursuit but belongs at the center of modern research in the humanities. Reflecting updates in the field since the foundational

www.academia.edu

This one is a bit more academic and philosophical. Hanegraaff is one of the top scholars in the field and he frames esotericism as “rejected knowledge” the stuff that got pushed out of mainstream culture but never actually died.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Good content, this thread is tempting me to stay

I find it interesting not only the content of these books but the people who seek them out and the reasons they choose to read them. I don't know how much interest you'll find here though.

 

[newsincerity]

Fair point on the “all occult is just feeding entities” angle.

I get where you’re coming from, any time you engage with this stuff you’re opening doors, and yeah, not every inspiration comes for free. But I don’t see it as automatically trapping you.

Darkness doesn't empower anyone aside from the few evil people and they likely don't have free will. It corrupts and enslaves because that's how their system works.
Imitation isn't beneficial to us. If you think logically how can something cursed benefit us. We need pure positive energy-not to be mistaken with divine beings or light work that's part of the simulation too, you often see people who practiced satanism become devout christians etc. religion or new age is waiting for ppl like this

For me the thread is more like “here’s the delete-key grimoire, here’s the admin-password grimoire, here’s the how-the-engine-actually-works book.” I’m curious how people react to the contrast, not trying to recruit anyone into anything.

If these things work, big if

So when you say it’s all part of the simulation trap… what does that look like for you in practice? Do you think any engagement with occult material is automatically feeding the loop, or is there a way to study it without getting hooked? Honest take, I’m not here to dunk, just to talk it through.

what do you mean by the occult?

 

[rentier]

Reading Sitra Achra doesn’t mean I’m now a card carrying anticosmic cultist.

You bet it doesn't.

It is an intro text for one specific order, written by an (ironically) Iranian "frater". Convict, I think.

It is possible to read Freemason books at home, but what's your degree bro.

Your take was that you read it and saw Black Light, then threw a hissy fit.

There was a Satanist here that fled into my DMs after I made an off-hand remark, then started threaten to kill me and admins, and got banned.

That's all solitary occutism will amount to - a broken psyche and silly behaviors. "Posting my favorite grimoirs".,

 

[Schwarzwald]

You bet it doesn't.

It is an intro text for one specific order, written by an (ironically) Iranian "frater". Convict, I think.

It is possible to read Freemason books at home, but what's your degree bro.

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Your take was that you read it and saw Black Light, then threw a hissy fit.

There was a Satanist here that fled into my DMs after I made an off-hand remark, then started threaten to kill me and admins, and got banned.

That's all solitary occutism will amount to - a broken psyche and silly behaviors. "Posting my favorite grimoirs".,

Lol a satanist in your DMs eh? Non sequitur. Not sure what some random stalker has to do with the historical and systems theory architecture of these texts, but welcome to the internet I guess.

"threw a hissy fit”, did I? I posted a book, people reacted, I kept posting more books. If that’s a hissy fit, I need to recalibrate my emotional scale.

You’re right that solitary reading doesn’t make anyone a degree holder. That’s kind of the point. I’m not angling for a title or an order. I’m just throwing texts on the table to see who engages with the ideas vs. who needs to turn it into a hierarchy dick measuring contest. You’ve made it clear which camp you’re in. Noted.

As for “solitary occultism” breaking psyches; sure, any practice without a mirror can turn into a feedback loop. But posting on a forum is literally inviting the mirror. So what’s your angle? You here to warn people, or just to announce you’re above it all? Genuinely asking, because your drive by contributions so far read more like 'I’m too cool for this' than anything I can engage with.

 

[rentier]

Lol a satanist in your DMs eh? Non sequitur.

The Satanist was a prominent contributor, particularly in religion board, but for some reason he started to perceive even "love" reacts as demeaning (what?) and then had a full-on psychotic break. It's hard to recollect why he lost his shit, but the results are for all to see.

Unstable isolated personality + reading random PDFs = the house of cards went down under its own weight.

You’re right that solitary reading doesn’t make anyone a degree holder. That’s kind of the point.

The point is that someone didn't make it into the club and spams peasants with mind-wrecking witchcraft.

Here's one famous Freemason gesture , which they practice for their own good.

You ever see a Freemason preacher around? Maybe someone from Sweden came here and started promoting the benefits of Sitra Archa? Nope and nope, but an online schizo self-enlightening with randomized selection of pirated PDFs, that's a common sight.

Why embrace that unfortunate role.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Darkness doesn't empower anyone aside from the few evil people and they likely don't have free will. It corrupts and enslaves because that's how their system works.
Imitation isn't beneficial to us. If you think logically how can something cursed benefit us. We need pure positive energy-not to be mistaken with divine beings or light work that's part of the simulation too, you often see people who practiced satanism become devout christians etc. religion or new age is waiting for ppl like this

If these things work, big if

what do you mean by the occult?

You asked what I mean by “occult”, fair question, because the term gets sloppy.

For this thread, I’m using it broadly to mean any system that treats the simulation as hackable: whether that’s ceremonial magic (Picatrix), anti‑cosmic deletion (Sitra Achra), cybernetic rootkit stuff (Mace), or the academic study of why humans keep building these systems (Goodrick‑Clarke, Hanegraaff).

The through line isn’t belief in demons or entities. It’s the recurring human impulse to treat reality as malleable through symbols, timing, and focused intent. Some people call that magic, some call it psychology, some call it a trap. I’m less interested in the label than in what happens when you expose different people to the same text. Hence the thread.

So when you say “darkness corrupts and enslaves” I’m not arguing against that. I’m asking, is it the text itself that corrupts, or is it the posture you bring to it? Someone could read Sitra Achra and see a philosophy of radical autonomy. Someone else could read it and start collecting edgy memes. Same book, different outcomes. That’s what I’m here to watch.

You also said “If these things work, big if” exactly. I’m not claiming they do. I’m treating them as thought experiments, pressure tests for the mind. If the “if” scares you, that’s interesting in itself.

 

[Schwarzwald]

The Satanist was a prominent contributor, particularly in religion board, but for some reason he started to perceive even "love" reacts as demeaning (what?) and then had a full-on psychotic break. It's hard to recollect why he lost his shit, but the results are for all to see.

Unstable isolated personality + reading random PDFs = the house of cards went down under its own weight.


The point is that someone didn't make it into the club and spams peasants with mind-wrecking witchcraft.

Here's one famous Freemason gesture , which they practice for their own good.
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You ever see a Freemason preacher around? Maybe someone from Sweden came here and started promoting the benefits of Sitra Archa? Nope and nope, but an online schizo self-enlightening with randomized selection of pirated PDFs, that's a common sight.

Why embrace that unfortunate role.

> gaslighting

>pathologizing

>veiled hierarchy threats

>sick clip-art Freemason, very cool. Zerubbabel? or just zeal? haha

Let’s be real: you came into a thread about grimoires, ignored every book, and instead posted:

A story about some guy I never met (projection)

A diagnosis of my mental state (armchair psychiatry)

A Freemason jpeg as a veiled “I know things you don’t” threat

A lecture about how I didn’t make it into a club (you don’t know me)

You’re not engaging with ideas. You’re trying to establish dominance through vague allusions, insults, and a pathetic attempt to pathologize someone who’s just posting books and watching how people react.

You want to talk about the texts? I’m here. You want to keep playing secret-handshake gatekeeper while contributing nothing? Save it. I’m not your cautionary tale, I’m not your “schizo,” and I’m certainly not impressed by your Freemason meme.

Post something substantive or find another thread to play main character in.

lets start with what's the last book you have read? Any book will do.

 

[rentier]

lets start with what's the last book you have read? Any book will do.

I am finishing off Xenophon's Anabasis, a story of 10,000-strong mercenary Greek army trying to make a coup in Persia, failing to and marching all the way back. Xenophon, Plato's more grounded peer, ended up as #1 man in the army.

Next in line is Thucydides's History. All in paper, because reading on electronic devices makes sure you will never finish it.

You’re not engaging with ideas. You’re trying to establish dominance through vague allusions, insults, and a pathetic attempt to pathologize someone

I am providing context - the authors of the books you promote are notoriously reclusive and frankly misanthropic. So you're stepping in as an unpaid, and probably not very welcome, PR agent?.. Okay?...

 

[GripMaxxing]

I love occultism stuff, so cool symbols

 

[Schwarzwald]

I am finishing off Xenophon's Anabasis, a story of 10,000-strong mercenary Greek army trying to make a coup in Persia, failing to and marching all the way back. Xenophon, Plato's more grounded peer, ended up as #1 man in the army.

Next in line is Thucydides's History. All in paper, because reading on electronic devices makes sure you will never finish it.


I am providing context - the authors of the books you promote are notoriously reclusive and frankly misanthropic. So you're stepping in as an unpaid, and probably not very welcome, PR agent?.. Okay?...

>Xenophons literally 101 college reading congratulations

You’re doing a lot here, projecting, pathologizing, narrating my collapse. It reads like a classic defensive meltdown. I’m just posting books and watching how people react, and you’re the one writing paragraphs about Satanists and Freemasons.

Oh no, are those the mythical paper books I’ve heard so much about?

(You might need this one, those DMs must have really gotten to you.)

I read across genres. That’s what people do when they’re actually interested in ideas, not just signaling.

You want to talk about the texts I posted? I’m here. If not, take a breath and maybe step away from the keyboard. This isn’t that serious. Maybe go big league somewhere else it's very cringe.

 

[Schwarzwald]

I love occultism stuff, so cool symbols

 

[newsincerity]

You asked what I mean by “occult”, fair question, because the term gets sloppy.

For this thread, I’m using it broadly to mean any system that treats the simulation as hackable: whether that’s ceremonial magic (Picatrix), anti‑cosmic deletion (Sitra Achra), cybernetic rootkit stuff (Mace), or the academic study of why humans keep building these systems (Goodrick‑Clarke, Hanegraaff)./

Idon't care if it's communicating with the intellectual elite of planet Ogo, if you're looking at cursed symbols like sigils reversed pentagrams and read cursed names of beings and channeled formulas the energy will affect you.

The through line isn’t belief in demons or entities. It’s the recurring human impulse to treat reality as malleable through symbols, timing, and focused intent. Some people call that magic, some call it psychology, some call it a trap. I’m less interested in the label than in what happens when you expose different people to the same text. Hence the thread.

I don't think there are practicing occultists who are atheist. If you can separate it why do you need book just use your intention and your own symbols. Timing implies there is times of power which is true on a personal level you have more energy sometimes and feel better. The full moons and sun eclipses will be negative in itself. There is many people who instinctively know not to stare at the moon at night. Astrology is pretty safe to study though.

So when you say “darkness corrupts and enslaves” I’m not arguing against that. I’m asking, is it the text itself that corrupts, or is it the posture you bring to it?

Yes the text especially the names symbols and formulas

 

[rentier]

You’re doing a lot here, projecting, pathologizing, narrating my collapse.

You keep framing it as a personal attack, but that's because you chose an idiotic position to dig in and, inevitably, uprooting that position would hurt anyone entrenched in it.

Let's say I summon someone who is in the same Luciferic Order as the 218 Iranian Frater, which is not that far-fetched: half of Swedish black metal scene is. Would you two have a great time, and will he post many PDFs from his own collection? I think you know the answer.



Just idiotic thread, idiotic premise of the thread and the poor OP who got caught up in this.

I probably said the same to the Satanist person, his username on other forums used to be "Michael W. Ford" That's a famed American occultist he took inspiration from.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Idon't care if it's communicating with the intellectual elite of planet Ogo, if you're looking at cursed symbols like sigils reversed pentagrams and read cursed names of beings and channeled formulas the energy will affect you.

I don't think there are practicing occultists who are atheist. If you can separate it why do you need book just use your intention and your own symbols. Timing implies there is times of power which is true on a personal level you have more energy sometimes and feel better. The full moons and sun eclipses will be negative in itself. There is many people who instinctively know not to stare at the moon at night. Astrology is pretty safe to study though.

Yes the text especially the names symbols and formulas

I appreciate you taking the time to actually engage with the questions this is the kind of exchange I was after.

Let me clarify where I’m coming from, because I think we’re circling the same territory from different angles.

On symbols:
I don’t think they have inherent power, but I do think they can act as funnels. A sigil, a cross, a pentagram—they don’t contain energy, but they direct it, like a lens focuses light. If a symbol has been used heavily, it might carry some residual charge (like a groove worn in), but that’s still just a tool, not a battery. That’s why I can read Sitra Achra without feeling “cursed”—I’m studying the architecture of the funnel, not drinking from it.

On atheist occultists:
I’m not an atheist, but I’m also not a believer in the traditional sense. I hold it in superposition: maybe it’s all psychological, maybe it’s touching something real but outside our frame, maybe both. That’s why I’m less interested in whether it works than in what people do with the texts. The books are maps; I want to see how different people read them.

On timing / moon:
The physics of tides and eclipses is wild i’m with you there. The “instinct not to stare” feels more like folklore to me, but folklore often points to patterns people noticed before they had words for them. I’ll keep it in mind.

On text vs. posture:
We probably won’t agree on whether the symbols themselves carry weight independent of the reader. That’s fine—it’s a fundamental split. But I respect that you’re coming at it from a place of genuine concern rather than just gatekeeping.

Thanks for the conversation. If you ever want to dig into why different people read the same text so differently hit me up.

P.S. In the end I put out some feelers to gauge engagement and people’s perspectives. It’s been limited but elucidating.

 

[Schwarzwald]

You keep framing it as a personal attack, but that's because you chose an idiotic position to dig in and, inevitably, uprooting that position would hurt anyone entrenched in it.

Let's say I summon someone who is in the same Luciferic Order as the 218 Iranian Frater, which is not that far-fetched: half of Swedish black metal scene is. Would you two have a great time, and will he post many PDFs from his own collection? I think you know the answer.



Just idiotic thread, idiotic premise of the thread and the poor OP who got caught up in this.

I probably said the same to the Satanist person, his username on other forums used to be "Michael W. Ford" That's a famed American occultist he took inspiration from.

>very cool.

 

[rentier]

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>very cool.

>just a free-wheeling bro discussing random PDFs he found on the Internet

You mentioned Sitra Archa over 10 times, very seriously, but this book was distributed through black metal distros along with compact disks. So maybe pay some attention to that... You look silly and keep pretending you're not.

 

[Schwarzwald]

>just a free-wheeling bro discussing random PDFs he found on the Internet

You mentioned Sitra Archa over 10 times, very seriously, but this book was distributed through black metal distros along with compact disks. So maybe pay some attention to that... You look silly and keep pretending you're not.

>but wait there is more.

 

[rentier]

>but wait there is more.
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What is to be expected of someone with 1500 posts on a teenage forum. I wrote my posts as politely as I could, but that was too generous.

I don't know what keeps me here...

 

[Schwarzwald]

What is to be expected of someone with 1500 posts on a teenage forum. I wrote my posts as politely as I could, but that was too generous.

I don't know what keeps me here...

>the most disingenuous thing you have said this whole morning

 

[Schwarzwald]

“Deo florebo prospiciente”
I will flourish under the providence of God



Just as a plant grows strong and beautiful when the sun shines upon it,

so a person grows in virtue, wisdom, and good character

when they live under God’s guidance and keep their inner “garden” well tended.​