Spirituality Grimoires & Occult discussion, an overarching discussion.

[newsincerity]

I appreciate you taking the time to actually engage with the questions this is the kind of exchange I was after.

Let me clarify where I’m coming from, because I think we’re circling the same territory from different angles.

On symbols:
I don’t think they have inherent power, but I do think they can act as funnels. A sigil, a cross, a pentagram—they don’t contain energy, but they direct it, like a lens focuses light. If a symbol has been used heavily, it might carry some residual charge (like a groove worn in), but that’s still just a tool, not a battery. That’s why I can read Sitra Achra without feeling “cursed”—I’m studying the architecture of the funnel, not drinking from it.

symbols are literally gateways that spit out negative energy
when I was interested in occult I saw Panic put books in front of huge reverse pentagram in his room so the books get juiced up, he knew
now the guy is dead wonder why

 

[Schwarzwald]

symbols are literally gateways that spit out negative energy
when I was interested in occult I saw Panic put books in front of huge reverse pentagram in his room so the books get juiced up, he knew
now the guy is dead wonder why

So Panic juiced up his books with a reverse pentagram and then died. I don’t know the guy, so I can’t say what happened. But I’d file that under “residual charge” rather than “symbols are gateways that spit out negative energy.” A funnel can be loaded with whatever you pour into it including obsession, recklessness, or a death wish. The shape isn’t the cause; it’s just the tool.

Anyway, I think we’ve staked out our positions clearly.

 

[newsincerity]

So Panic juiced up his books with a reverse pentagram and then died. I don’t know the guy, so I can’t say what happened. But I’d file that under “residual charge” rather than “symbols are gateways that spit out negative energy.” A funnel can be loaded with whatever you pour into it including obsession, recklessness, or a death wish. The shape isn’t the cause; it’s just the tool.

Anyway, I think we’ve staked out our positions clearly.

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Truth isn't always logical
btw putting words from me in quotes at every opportunity feels a lot like AI

 

[Schwarzwald]

Truth isn't always logical
btw quoting me at every opportunity feels a lot like AI

Never said it was. I just see symbols as funnels, not gates. Either way.

Well idk how to help you with that? feels like AI we could do this in a discord call but i don't really want to. How would you rather I reply to you? lol sneaking in that little edit last min.

 

[newsincerity]

Never said it was. I just see symbols as funnels, not gates. Either way.

Draw a pentagram put it under your pillow and see how well you sleep nigga

 

[Schwarzwald]

Would yyou draw a satanist symbol under your newborn bed? Is that how much conviction you have

Of course I wouldn’t aim a funnel from hell at my child. That’s not the symbol having inherent power, it’s me not being an idiot with tools. I thought I made that clear. You seem to be aiming for an "I gottcha" moment and I'm down to engage but again I don't think you are following what I'm saying. You came off as more reasonable when you didn't add the negro part haha

 

[newsincerity]

Of course I wouldn’t aim a funnel from hell at my child. That’s not the symbol having inherent power, it’s me not being an idiot with tools. I thought I made that clear. You seem to be aiming for an "I gottcha" moment and I'm down to engage but again I don't think you are following what I'm saying. You came off as more reasonable when you didn't add the negro part haha

arguin for argument sake
cursed symbol spit negative energy is too hard to accept
read edit you can check yourself

 

[Schwarzwald]

arguin for argument sake
cursed symbol spit negative energy is too hard to accept
read edit you can check yourself

Still don’t agree with the inherent power angle, but I’m good leaving it here. Unless you have some more stories about panic?

 

[newsincerity]

Still don’t agree with the inherent power angle, but I’m good leaving it here. Unless you have some more stories about panic?

Satanists in general can be very driven to seek knowledge but extremely reckless
I wasn't interested too much in anyone in particular because I could sort of see they are broken people who hate humanity and want to rebel

Honestly the whole scholar perspective of yours is pretty pointless because the occult isn't about knowledge as normies are lead to believe but personal power
The amateurs who realise this often try stupid things to become more powerful like invoking negative energy and they can injure themselves energetically which can affect them physically too,
the archetype of ugly deformed dark sorcerer is pretty true
anyway I won't change your viewpoint because you're invested in it and I'm random internet guy with cautionary warning and claiming to know truth

real power lies within
this all fake

 

[Schwarzwald]

Satanists in general can be very driven to seek knowledge but extremely reckless
I wasn't interested too much in anyone in particular because I could sort of see they are broken people who hate humanity and want to rebel

Honestly the whole scholar perspective of yours is pretty pointless because the occult isn't about knowledge as normies are lead to believe but personal power
The amateurs who realise this often try stupid things to become more powerful like invoking negative energy and they can injure themselves energetically which can affect them physically too,
the archetype of ugly deformed dark sorcerer is pretty true
anyway I won't change your viewpoint because you're invested in it and I'm random internet guy with cautionary warning and claiming to know truth

real power lies within
this all fake

So real power is within, but also symbols spit out negative energy and amateurs get themselves deformed? I’m gonna need a flowchart. (It really undercuts your message when you add little edits that flow counter to what your trying to warn me about)

this is not the same because the gun pointed at someone doesn't shoot by itself
you are not in control of the symbols
you can check

So if I’m not in control of symbols, why does it matter where I put them? Should I just put a SIG Sauer P320 in my kid’s face instead? At least I’d be in control of that? or would I? You're like trying to concern troll me with the idea of putting my children in danger and honestly that's kinda funny, it's a real weak argument.

I will say at least you're staying on point and brand. Can I ask who this "Panic" is?

 

[Schwarzwald]

Satanists in general can be very driven to seek knowledge but extremely reckless
I wasn't interested too much in anyone in particular because I could sort of see they are broken people who hate humanity and want to rebel

Honestly the whole scholar perspective of yours is pretty pointless because the occult isn't about knowledge as normies are lead to believe but personal power
The amateurs who realise this often try stupid things to become more powerful like invoking negative energy and they can injure themselves energetically which can affect them physically too,
the archetype of ugly deformed dark sorcerer is pretty true
anyway I won't change your viewpoint because you're invested in it and I'm random internet guy with cautionary warning and claiming to know truth

real power lies within
this all fake

WAIT, are you implying I'm a satanist? and didn't you mock Christianity as something something wood cult controlled by jews or something? So are you of the Abrahamic persuasion or not?

 

[newsincerity]

So real power is within

yes your real power is from within
the rest you can hardly use and negative things corrupt giving illusion of power

, but also symbols spit out negative energy

yes,

and amateurs get themselves deformed?

in the long run they are ugly
the ugly witch-truth in tales

I’m gonna need a flowchart.

no

So if I’m not in control of symbols, why does it matter where I put them? Should I just put a SIG Sauer P320 in my kid’s face instead?

rhetoric

At least I’d be in control of that? or would I? You're like trying to concern troll me with the idea of putting my children in danger and honestly that's kinda funny

no I prove a point and awaken your conscience at the same time

I will say at least you're staying on point and brand. Can I ask who this "Panic" is?

dead negro LHP youtuber

 

[Schwarzwald]

yes your real power is from within
the rest you can hardly use and negative things corrupt giving illusion of power

yes,

in the long run they are ugly
the ugly witch-truth in tales

no

rhetoric

no I prove a point and awaken your conscience at the same time

dead negro LHP youtuber

Fascinating!

I think you missed the sarcasm about the flow chart.

You wouldn't mind sharing more?

“dead negro LHP youtuber” line is so blunt it’s almost charming.

*im going to do the post editing things too*

Awaken my conscience? I’ll add that to the list of things you’ve done for me today.

 

[newsincerity]

You wouldn't mind sharing more?

we waste time here
you completely ignore all warnings
@rentier made some good points honestly but failed to point out the ones who are deep in occult are actually more fucked

 

[Schwarzwald]

we waste time here
you completely ignore all warnings
@rentier made some good points honestly but failed to point out the ones who are deep in occult are actually more fucked

Rentier made zero points, lol why are you trying to invoke his rambling self back here haha.

You made some points, I'll grant you that.



I appreciate the straight answers, refreshing after rentier’s performance. But I’m still curious: you warned me about satanic symbols, yet you mocked Christianity earlier. So where do you actually stand? Abrahamic, something else, or none of the above? I’m just trying to place your frame.


But I am guessing you are now wound down, thank you for your time contestant number two.

 

[newsincerity]

Rentier made zero points, lol why are you trying to invoke his rambling self back here haha.
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you thinking you can separate the book from the author and context seems a bit ignorant to me
and he's right about Metal music being made by satanists

I appreciate the straight answers, refreshing after rentier’s performance. But I’m still curious: you warned me about satanic symbols, yet you mocked Christianity earlier. So where do you actually stand? Abrahamic, something else, or none of the above? I’m just trying to place your frame.

Christianity is a bit of a scam but I think it's the best religion out there

 

[Schwarzwald]

you thinking you can separate the book from the author and context seems a bit ignorant to me
and he's right about Metal music being made by satanists

Christianity is a bit of a scam but I think it's the best religion out there

Matthew 7:21-23

I'll add you to my prayers.

 

[rentier]

Rentier made zero points, lol

My only point is the feeling of - the only constant of interacting with people.

*Drops Eliphas Levi PDF*

*Drop 10 PDFs by Arthur Edwards Waite*

*Drops O9A PDFs*

At least @Jack the Ripper actually read the Quran, and he read it a lot.

 

[Schwarzwald]

you thinking you can separate the book from the author and context seems a bit ignorant to me
and he's right about Metal music being made by satanists

Christianity is a bit of a scam but I think it's the best religion out there

My only point is the feeling of - the only constant of interacting with people.

*Drops Eliphas Levi PDF*

*Drop 10 PDFs by Arthur Edwards Waite*

*Drops O9A PDFs*

At least @Jack the Ripper actually read the Quran, and he read it a lot.

LOL its like stepping in dog shit and now its tracking and now hes bring even more dog shit in with jack.

I guess its time to shit on the floor.

 

[Schwarzwald]

In 1976, Egyptologists and esoteric writers clashed violently in print after R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz’s sacred-geometry reading of Luxor gained new popularity. Traditional scholars dismissed it as projection, while occult architects and hermeticists treated it as proof that temples encoded initiatory mathematics. The real drama was how many later occult schools quietly built entire teachings on his disputed readings.

 

[Jack the Ripper]

We need pure positive energy-not to be mistaken with divine beings or light work that's part of the simulation too, you often see people who practiced satanism become devout christians etc. religion or new age is waiting for ppl like this

well yes, because worshipping Mary, Muhammad, Jesus, the saints, et cetera is idol worship and means you are blinded and condemned to tremendous suffer' in this life and the next

 

[rentier]

well yes, because worshipping Mary, Muhammad, Jesus, the saints, et cetera is idol worship and means you are blinded and condemned to tremendous suffer' in this life and the next

I know you are not a ..hereditary Muslim, so it won't break your mind as hard.

There's speculation that Islam could be the contemporary of early Christianity before they came up with Trinity orthodoxy:

Revision in Islamic Chronology and Geography

“Despite the best efforts of generations of distinguished Arabists, the history of the Arabs before Islam remains exasperatingly obscure,” wrote Harvard scholar Barry Hoberman, managing editor of Biblical Archeology. The early history of Islam is in an even worst condition: a “revisionist school...

www.unz.com

Westoids rediscovered "Fomenko chronology" on their own (not his invention, but whatever) and are getting a kick out of it.