Masculinity is like race meme

[porco-dddio]

I premise that I was told this platform recruited incels, but your admin now regrets it. So I will try to keep my incelism ideology at minimum levels.

If you travel in the world you see the most masculine people are also the ugliest.

If some man is very attractive he is less likely to pursue the fad of masculinity. When attractive men pursue masculinity, what I noticed is they do it elegantly like sean connery. Or theres athlete chads who simply focus on fucking girls at the party. Chads who fuck people around can hardly be considered a problem, they are inseminator bulls who simply do their life without bothering anyone. In my exp, observing chads, I noticed a chad often is capable of understanding contexts and they can be given an area or a location where they fuck girls. So in america they have fraternity houses, or they have places where they store all the chads.

Chads are intelligent enough to understand concepts of civility and respect for public spaces. I dont go around pretending chads are perfect or anything and im sure some of them did misconduct, like for example Andrew Huberman nicknamed "king of he grift" is a tall chad who scammed, conned and frauded and sexually exploited people around him. But I think I know why he did it. Its gona be a topic for another time.

The masculinity fad is mostly performed by ugly people. Hence we came to call it "postmodern masculinity" or "MAGA-masculinity" or theres judith butler who calls it "performative".

What this is, basically a fad for people who did not grew up from HS, its nothing but a fad often performed by those who have the least amount of attributes to suit it. Like the race meme "people most obsessed about it are the worst representatives of their own race".

In the case of masculinity, I would normally not bother. And its not for a sense of purity that I say this, I myself am not a masculine purist. The reason I move this criticism is because I like masculinity and I do feel offended by MAGA-masculinity. I believe they are harming men by imposing themselves above reality. The social effects of their highschool fad disturbs me. Also, there are emotional reasons why I dont like this posturing. I think it begs us to challenge it, like in HS we always challenged the bully, right now we have to do it in adult life. Because some people did not learn the lesson or they believe they can be HS jocks in adult years.

Issue I see is that none of them is good looking, and they are also weak and feeble minded. So their fad is dangerous. If you convince a submasculine person to perform this caricature of a fad, he will be dangerous to himself and others. In my life I never seen anyone performing highschool fad being a socially adjusted member of society, they always impose their trauma on others. So having MAGA-masculinity all around us can probbly multiply mental problems and transmit trauma everywhere.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Imagine yourself falling through a portal in time and traveling several hundred years into the past, and then explaining what you just wrote to these people as they stare you down.

 

[Depresso]

If you travel in the world you see the most masculine people are also the ugliest.

Perspective. If you're a straight man, men aren't pretty.

 

[porco-dddio]

Imagine yourself falling through a portal in time and traveling several hundred years into the past, and then explaining what you just wrote to these people as they stare you down.

I done mental experiment, go back in time and talk to enkidu and ask "are you gay" while he looks at me and does not know the meaning of the word gay.

I think lots of senses, affections, emotions, social types and so on are manufactured. I also think some are completely fake.

Anyway, yeah I think they would be able to understand me, I can adapt to their jargon. I think since they also didnt knw social media, my speech would reach their ears and they would remember it. My linguistic abilities far surpass the avg of literacy in their age, and my ability would make me a propagandist in their time.

Honestly given the advantage, I wouldnt waste time talkin bout masculinity, but instead study them, pace and lead them.

 

[porco-dddio]

Perspective. If you're a straight man, men aren't pretty.

Nah I can clearly see whos ugly and who isnt, and whos pretty. I mean its pretty obvious. You can get technical and discuss your tastes but I think I can easy see whos ugly and whos pretty much OK or normal looking.

The majority of situations, ugly people gather in their small collective like a pub or a bar, where they perform a fad, and they live an existence inside the mental model of judith butler, she described them (accurately) as social performers.

I would normally disagree with judith, but I cannot deny the evidence, so I can say on this particular subject she got a point and I am forced to admit it.

I was adding to the conversation, adding my point of view. Those who perform the most have the least amount of traits that justifies the performance.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Issue I see is that none of them is good looking, and they are also weak and feeble minded. So their fad is dangerous. If you convince a submasculine person to perform this caricature of a fad, he will be dangerous to himself and others. In my life I never seen anyone performing highschool fad being a socially adjusted member of society, they always impose their trauma on others. So having MAGA-masculinity all around us can probbly multiply mental problems and transmit trauma everywhere.

This smells strongly of feminist angst wafting from the longhouse, with all its hatred of hierarchy.

It matters not the starting point of a man, of whether he is an ugly prole or of noble blood, but of what rank, role and indeed archetype he fulfills in his duty to the group. Is he oriented upward to a higher ideal? Yes, perhaps in highschool and modern society in general, such groups of men are a mockery of the past potentials achieved by patriarchal organization, but the fact that it still occurs naturally, without force, underlies the true instinct of man.

To foids, such hierarchies are seen as something dangerous, something that must be dismantled and prevented from forming. And here you are, preaching their foul magic as gospel.

I done mental experiment, go back in time and talk to enkidu and ask "are you gay" while he looks at me and does not know the meaning of the word gay.

I think lots of senses, affections, emotions, social types and so on are manufactured. I also think some are completely fake.

Anyway, yeah I think they would be able to understand me, I can adapt to their jargon. I think since they also didnt knw social media, my speech would reach their ears and they would remember it. My linguistic abilities far surpass the avg of literacy in their age, and my ability would make me a propagandist in their time.

Honestly given the advantage, I wouldnt waste time talkin bout masculinity, but instead study them, pace and lead them.

I'm afraid the concerns of "the last men" (as Nietzsche has put it) are so far removed from most of history, that they would likely run you through. Maybe just leave you stranded, if you are lucky.

I don't mean to be hostile, but I believe you lack perspective.

 

[cosmicx16]

 

[porco-dddio]

his smells strongly of feminist angst wafting from the longhouse, with all its hatred of hierarchy

correct I validated judith butler. I realized she was right.

I mean, try to understand. I was opposing her with an idea of masculinity I had. But then I saw MAGA people or these guys who repeat opinions of ecelebs, I realized she was right, not about everything. Simply she was right about masculinity is a performance.

On this single point I agree with her, due to the manifested reality of MAGA-masculinity also dubbed "posmodern masculinity".

It matters not the starting point of a man

I think it can matter or not it wasnt my point. I mean, I was talkin about the performance.

I seen its mostly the ugly ones the guys who do that sort of caricature of masculinity. Attractive people allow themselves to be more "relaxed" if you allow me to use some metaphoric language. And nobody that is attractive imposes himself above reality like MAGA-tards do pretending they can mandate masculinity thru TRT and performative fads.

It seems to me more like excess of insecurity, trauma transmission and subhuman DNA.

To foids, such hierarchies are seen as something dangerous, something that must be dismantled and prevented from forming

i dont care about hierarchy. I think theres some hierarchies I find cool others suck like for example the hierarchical situation I suffer now where I get to be submitted by electronic celebrities who propagandize tard people is something I really dont like. Bcause ecelebs are underqualified relative to the role they occupy. I would not mind a church hierarchy where the cardinal or the priests are often overqualified relative to their position. I dont like MAGA-tard masculinity because I see them as inferior men who are underqualified. But they have their "hierarchy", I simply reject it.

"the last men" (as Nietzsche has put it)

nietzsche was never read by me but I have read judith butler. I mostly disagree with her, except 1 single point. And I think shes right about performativity, no because is a reality of man, shes right for coincidence. She was right because SOME men really do perform it.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

correct I validated judith butler. I realized she was right.

I mean, try to understand. I was opposing her with an idea of masculinity I had. But then I saw MAGA people or these guys who repeat opinions of ecelebs, I realized she was right, not about everything. Simply she was right about masculinity is a performance.

On this single point I agree with her, due to the manifested reality of MAGA-masculinity also dubbed "posmodern masculinity".

nietzsche was never read by me but I have read judith butler. I mostly disagree with her, except 1 single point. And I think shes right about performativity, no because is a reality of man, shes right for coincidence. She was right because SOME men really do perform it.

There is nothing wrong with young men engaging in play, in role-playing, in performing. I think Judith Butler describes all identity, gender and otherwise, as performative, as taking on a role, and she has no problem with it.

I think your problem is you've got a little bit of the TDS. Why don't you unpack why you dislike MAGA instead of trying to blame regular male behavior for the so called root cause of MAGA.

 

[porco-dddio]

There is nothing wrong with young men engaging in play, in role-playing, in performing. I think Judith Butler describes all identity, gender and otherwise, as performative, as taking on a role, and she has no problem with it.

she says masculinity is fragile, performative. She says men perform masculinity not for women and not even for other men. But men perform for themselves, to feel good about themselves.

I always thought she was full of shit. Until I seen it. I seen MAGA-tard so called "postmodern masculinity". Their masculinity is achieved, monitored and revocable. 3 traits that make the thesis of butler accurate.

A man can be revoked his status, this is already proving judith butler right. Unless you perform 2477 confidence fad, dominance fad, stoicism fad, sexual related fads, then anything can be taken from you.

MAGA postmodern masculinity does not do this for women. They already showed to have an adversarial dialog with women and none of what they do is related to attracting a mate.

For instance, why buy a truck? For women? no, its for posturing the worker aesthetic. Trucks are some of the most useless working vehicles, you would do better with a minivan. The fad isnt for women.

I believe there are reasons why is the case, simply bcause theatres where the submasculine would perform his fake fad are inaccessible for lots of men. LIke, be husband social type, or be father, or "provider" or soldier or tradesman. Most of these theatres where someone can project a false fad are inaccessible. So they resort to do MAGA postmodern masculinity out of necessity.

These are the reason judith is right. Bcause MAGA clown world is a real fad driven by insecurity, revocable status and is all based on performance.

 

[porco-dddio]

why you dislike MAGA instead of trying to blame regular male behavior

MAGA is not "regular men", it signals to a specific audience and when I call it "highschool fad" I am not playing with words it really is an extended adolescence.

This is not me framing it in a specific way to push a narrative because I hate MAGA or whatever. It really is like this. And I couldnt believe my eyes when I seen it.

This is highschool fad, this is concerning, its not a fake description. Its peoples who are submasculine and go listen to eceleb podcasts, they also form parasocial bonds with them. This is insane, its like all dystopias manifested in reality at the same time. All masculinity was reduced to is performance. And they proved right judith butler, holy crap I cannot believe Im living in this reality.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

MAGA is not "regular men", it signals to a specific audience and when I call it "highschool fad" I am not playing with words it really is an extended adolescence.

This is not me framing it in a specific way to push a narrative because I hate MAGA or whatever. It really is like this. And I couldnt believe my eyes when I seen it.

This is highschool fad, this is concerning, its not a fake description. Its peoples who are submasculine and go listen to eceleb podcasts, they also form parasocial bonds with them. This is insane, its like all dystopias manifested in reality at the same time. All masculinity was reduced to is performance. And they proved right judith butler, holy crap I cannot believe Im living in this reality.

Define what MAGA is to you and why you do not like it. What you are describing is no less unique to various lefty and marxist groups fixated on the latest destiny broadcast, for example.

 

[porco-dddio]

Define what MAGA is to you and why you do not like it. What you are describing is no less unique to various lefty and marxist groups fixated on the latest destiny broadcast, for example.

Oh well I didnt know I ended up repeating the destiny version of this topic.

MAGA = highschool fad. Is my quick definition. Its simply a mood, a vibe. Theres really nothing else behind it, and the more you try to understand maga the less you get it. Its simply HS fad with the mood and the vibe.

Perform a specific vibe, align with this group, signal some attitudes, some behaviors, criticize the other group. The vibe of maga can be described. Like, at times they do the "anti elite" performance usurping the vibe of "being a rebel". Other times they show us their masculinity insecurity selling powders and TRT scams.

Other times they criticize the "liberal", this would align their status in their parasocial bro groups. If liberals smile, you grunt. If they dress feminine, you dress masculine.

Is it clear? Its just a fad.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Is it clear? Its just a fad.

If you say so, I won't try to dissuade you from this thinking. Although I do wonder what could have caused the fad to become popular.

I will say, however, that the more people attempt to suppress a fad, they stronger and more real it can become.

 

[porco-dddio]

If you say so, I won't try to dissuade you from this thinking. Although I do wonder what could have caused the fad to become popular.

I will say, however, that the more people attempt to suppress a fad, they stronger and more real it can become.

You get a point, if I try to confront a MAGA-tard he will usually triple down and get worse than before.

Why it got popular? Good question I dont know. I would say theres lots of male insecurity around us, men got issues. I dont think you will disagree to simply notice men got issue.

Insecurity can be manipulated.

Also, I do not pretend to understand MAGA, im not even in america. Maybe elites are demoralizing their own population on purpose. Some people call it "MAGA post-reality", some say they are copying USSR to achieve a despondent demoralized society. Once such a society is achieved, and your subjects are depoliticized and demoralized who depend on your TRT injections to "Be masculine" then nothing is real all can be possible.

So if you are an elite, and your demoralized subjects believe nothing is real, because their masculinity isnt real and their fads and all about them is fake, you can make the world you want.

You can call it a conspiracy if you like, its a known method of governance in china, russia, and now also america so it seems.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

Also, I do not pretend to understand MAGA, im not even in america.

Are you from Italy?

It's popular because it's inevitable, just as all political movements throughout history were inevitable--after all, they happened.

 

[porco-dddio]

Are you from Italy?

It's popular because it's inevitable, just as all political movements throughout history were inevitable--after all, they happened.

my fame evidently precedes me. im that loser form italy indeed.

As for the rest, yeah but we gotta reach a situation where MAGA defeat is inevitable. And our survival is inevitable.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

my fame evidently precedes me. im that loser form italy indeed.

I inferred it from your name, being Italian. My next guess would have been Swiss.

As for the rest, yeah but we gotta reach a situation where MAGA defeat is inevitable. And our survival is inevitable.

If you say so. However, there are forces that once unleashed in a society or civilization cannot be stopped by man nor woman. MAGA is merely a manifestation of The Fourth Turning as theorized by Niel and Howe. It's a revolt against the class of managerial elites. There's no stopping it. Banning it would only have it take on a different form with a different name. It doesn't care about what people think about it. It's like a force of nature. All you can do is let it run its course.

Kind of like a super volcano. Speaking of which, I think you may have a more serious problem on your hand.

Accelerating unrest at Campi Flegrei signals a critical transition within the next decade

Campi Flegrei, a large caldera in southern Italy, is among the most hazardous volcanic systems on Earth, directly threatening over one million people. Since 2005, it has entered a phase of accelerating uplift accompanied by intensified seismicity, raising the key question of whether this...

arxiv.org

 

[porco-dddio]

It's a revolt against the class of managerial elites

Well MAGA has a dialog with the public that postured what you said. They framed "globalism" and "the elite" and so on. Problem is they are the elite, they are the oligarchy. I mean, not yet, the MAGA platform are the criminals who would like oligarchy to be a reality. They say they are anti corruption, they cause more corruption. They say they are anti paedo, thy are paedos.

So yeah im aware of the situation. I know that people have sentiments like "I want to be anti elite" and they can be manipulated so that they will support the elite.

Or people want less immigration, so you persuade them to support importing indians. You use their same logic, the coherency of their own ideology, and you swindle them.