Culture What is your opinion on pro-choice vs. pro-life in general?

[Quintilian]

Elegant as always but it floats above the practical question. Beyond error beyond wants and desires it's the practical question. Their is no contradiction, there are living parts becoming one whole, the question boils down to personhood not life.

I'm pro-life but I'm not making a religious argument or a control argument. I am making a civilization argument. Are we serious people or aren't we. And if we aren't, if we genuinely can't manage this basic thing , then maybe you are right @quintillian that legislation is just a bandage on something that goes much deeper than law.

The wound isn't abortion. The wound is that we stopped taking life seriously.

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To be clear, the practicality of the matter first comes from the act of sex, if in the beginning whatever motives which push a person whether by internal or external influence would not allow for this instance to occur that being abortion. The point being, this matter is between those who are actually participants within the matter.

Context therefore dictates what should be done, not law nor the woman should the act had been done in confidence.

 

[Wolfstorm]

A virus that could turn the entire normie population into incels would solve the issue.

 

[Schwarzwald]

We're closer than it sounds and I appreciate that. But between the participants only holds if we're talking about two parties. The entire debate hinges on whether there's a third. If there is, and I'd argue by 60 to 90 days there clearly is, then context and mutual agreement between the two adults stops being sufficient. You can't privately negotiate the rights of someone who isn't at the table.

You're romanticizing a pre legal tribal context that doesn't exist anymore and hasn't for thousands of years, in that context yes two people would figure it out between themselves because they don't have to pay taxes.

 

[Schwarzwald]

A virus that could turn the entire normie population into incels would solve the issue.

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What are you talking about ????????!

That would just be sex without the worry of children??!

That would just make this rape planet of the AIDS....

 

[Shinrinken]

Pro-life. As you're just murdering your unborn child just because you couldn't bother to use birth control and see infanticide as the "months after pill." Yet they love to hide behind the "rape, incest, and mother's life is at risk." As for rape, you can take the morning after pill and let people know ASAP, not after you found out the person you hookup with has nothing to take with child support and the guy your with won't fall for the kid being his. As for the mother's life at risk. That's so rare, and often accepted as an exception that you can't count that as an abortion as often the kid won't make it. Not cause it going to risk the mother's "mental or financial health."

Let's be honest now. Abortion is seen as birth control, and proves women don't have a "more nurturing side" then men. Then again, anyone who been around women and "doesn't drink the kool-aid" knew that. (Though it was actually the knock-off brand flavor-aid.)

 

[Wolfstorm]

Foids who murder their own children are the worst foids. And the worst foids will mate with the worst thugs(tm), so the child will grown up and become another thug(tm). By murdering her child the foid is actually doing society a service.

Personally I'm all in for a worldwide virus that can end up human reproduction, specially for the dumber collectivities. The virus would affect mostly those with two-digit IQ. It should also need to remove their desire for sex.

The scamdemic pointed this is possible, as many of the vax vials contained nanocomponents that opened up once in the bloodstream, creating nanostructures there. There were also graphene nanotubes detected in some vaxxed brains. And then there is the Microsoft patent for a cryptocurrency that would be mined from manual human labor. Why invest billions in making robots when the npc can become one? Gyms and tattoos being forced on the media is to prepare the npc for his future as a fully automated robot. GenZ losing interest in sex also points in this direction. Next step is to forbid porn worldwide, which is coming together with the fecal recognition system.

 

[newsincerity]

artificial problem
pro-life and pro exiting the simulation to not give a shit

 

[ZZEBRA813]

if it’s not my genes then idc, not sure why people care so much about girls they will never fuck do with its baby. Meh it’s tedious.

 

[Depresso]

Pro-life. As you're just murdering your unborn child just because you couldn't bother to use birth control and see infanticide as the "months after pill."

Foids who murder their own children are the worst foids. And the worst foids will mate with the worst thugs(tm), so the child will grown up and become another thug(tm). By murdering her child the foid is actually doing society a service.

This is just hate masquerading as morality, which is something Kaczynski mentioned as oversocialisation. Where does "abortion = murder" even come from?

 

[MAGONIA]

This is just hate masquerading as morality, which is something Kaczynski mentioned as oversocialisation. Where does "abortion = murder" even come from?

identification with the human soul? You got one bro?

 

[Depresso]

I'm pro life for a multitude of reason, the one I'll stand on right now is that if we are claiming to be an advanced society and we can't control for one, our carnal impulses let alone our ability to ejaculate and regulate hormonal cycles.

So you're pro-life for gnostic reasons because carnal nature is bad?

I have mentioned this before and ill do it again but i have an an-cap mind set on property and peoples right over it.

I'm not an-cap myself but I think it's incomplete without a completely pro-choice stance when it comes to start and end of life. Every atom will eventually be owned in some way and your's will always exist before you do.

I think pro-choice is a lot easier and less complicated in the end. It has less room to cause complete disasters.

 

[Depresso]

identification with the human soul? You got one bro?

So when does the fetus develop a soul?

Of course I do, you?

 

[Hobbit]

I'm pro-choice if it's disabled or non-white.
I'm pro-life if it's white and healthy.
God knows we have too many ethnics in the world and not enough whites.

 

[Depresso]

I'm pro-choice if it's disabled or non-white.
I'm pro-life if it's white and healthy.

So you would restrict white freedoms?

 

[Hobbit]

So you would restrict white freedoms?

If it meant preserving the White race, then yes. Sacrifices must be made.

 

[Depresso]

If it meant preserving the White race, then yes. Sacrifices must be made.

Ah, so it's a passive-aggressive kys to coloureds and disableds then?

 

[MAGONIA]

So when does the fetus develop a soul?

Of course I do, you?

you were confused why people care.

Styxhexenhammer666 believes its at the time called the quickening.
Im not a child specialist. Some Christians believe that even the smallest fetus counts as a person and spilling seed is sinful

 

[Hobbit]

Ah, so it's a passive-aggressive kys to coloureds and disableds?

Less so to disabled people, but to non-whites, yes.
For disabled people, I'm not against them being born completely but we must at least preserve a healthy world and breeding with disabled people will only further increase disability in the future generations. It's just eugenics at the end of the day.

 

[Depresso]

Less so to disabled people, but to non-whites, yes.
For disabled people, I'm not against them being born completely but we must at least preserve a healthy world and breeding with disabled people will only further increase disability in the future generations. It's just eugenics at the end of the day.

So you would blanket restrict something that a white person could choose to reduce unnecessary suffering in their own life while encouraging it for non-whites to reduce their number because the bigger picture it contributes to personally feels good to you in a moral sense?

Do you believe in souls in any sense?

 

[Depresso]

you were confused why people care.

Styxhexenhammer666 believes its at the time called the quickening.
Im not a child specialist. Some Christians believe that even the smallest fetus counts as a person and spilling seed is sinful

I wasn't confused why people care, I was confused how murder and abortion were so confidently equated. What does quickening mean here? Christian beliefs do not matter to people that do not take them into account, it would be imposition.

What do you think about suffering and how that relates to the soul?

 

[Wolfstorm]

So when does the fetus develop a soul?

Of course I do, you?

Right at conception. The soul is needed for the bodies to grow. First body to manifest is the etheric body (which spawns the manes), then the physical body (when the foetus takes form and is no longer a egg). The astral body only appears at birth and is defined by planetary positions (astral chart). The three bodies requires a soul, a field of consciousness to hold them together, the field is a fragment from a previous field and is pulled from the luminal space. The foetus is conscious, so it is a living being. To kill it is murder, pure and simple.

 

[Depresso]

Right at conception. The soul is needed for the bodies to grow. First body to manifest is the etheric body (which spawns the manes), then the physical body (when the foetus takes form and is no longer a egg). The astral body only appears at birth and is defined by planetary positions (astral chart). The three bodies requires a soul, a field of consciousness to hold them together, the field is a fragment from a previous field and is pulled from the luminal space. The foetus is conscious, so it is a living being. To kill it is murder, pure and simple.

The embryo has a literal soul right at conception, because of the etheric body, and that's why abortion is murder. Did I get it right?

Are condoms murder too?

 

[Wolfstorm]

The embryo has a literal soul right at conception, because of the etheric body, and that's why abortion is murder. Did I get it right?

Yes, and abortion should be mandatory.

 

[Depresso]

@Hobbit If you weren't trolling, how did you come to hold those beliefs? Did you always believe that?

 

[MAGONIA]

I wasn't confused why people care, I was confused how murder and abortion were so confidently equated. What does quickening mean here? Christian beliefs do not matter to people that do not take them into account, it would be imposition.

What do you think about suffering and how that relates to the soul?

"quickening," which refers to 2–3 months of age when newborn reflexes begin to disappear and social smiling emerges.

Yes I suspect that suffering might be the most important thing you can do in life but im learning lessons that my body and religions of the world teach me. I dont have a rational opinion on the benefits of suffering.