What causes self-destruction

[newsincerity]

There is no real reason for self-destruction
Self-destructive behaviour doesn't benefit anyone-certainly not the person doing it. Why do we do it? It's pleasurable in the moment or it's unpleasant not to do it.
In a dissociated state it's the dominant impulse. Something hijacks the mind bypassing rationality, free will and conscience to satisfy it.

Habitual self-destruction isn't part of our waking consciousness. It's more akin to a parasitic attatchment to a sick consciousness which might be integrated into the identity if one wrongly accepts it as part of who they are. Addiction is always in the subconscious mind waiting for a trigger to resurface and exert pressure on the brain to get what it wants.

What triggers it? A strong negative emotional reaction directed at oneself-reliving trauma or PTSD; stress; boredom; bodily sensastions... probably lots of things via association if one is in an environment where the using's taken place.
Once the relevant parts of the brain activate it is very hard to stop oneself from relapsing and that's why everyone advises to try avoid any sort of triggers/peeking/talking about it. This is where changing one's environment/routine/getting out of the comfort zone become crucial.
It's much easier to quit by switching the whole paradigm than to just try to quit. It's a form of shocking the system to break the cycle.

Max Spiers' perspective on addiction
Addiction is trauma-based mind control.
He was a schizo MK victim who had his mind shattered as a kid which created alter personalities like in the movie Split but they only served his controllers to make him do stuff he didn't remember like in Conspiracy Theory.
The trauma based MK technology is directly linked to addiction. He would go around the city with his friend then all of a sudden someone uses trigger words to activate his alter and turn Max into a drug addict. Or it would happen through a commercial on TV. He could sense the switch happening but would be unable to do anything to stop it.
When you dissociate someone they don't know what they did.
"How is this relevant? I'm in control of my actions and remember them." Think of all the times you looked at a screen for too long and next thing you know you've been unconsciously touching your genitals. Dissociation also applies to your imagination. You might drift off and do some questionable shit there and not remember. I wouldn't be too worried but it does open the question how many of our thoughts are elusive and how much are we in control. This is important because thoughts influence our emotions and feelings and these influence our conscious action.

There are also subliminal messages in childrens' shows and cartoons which we were exposed to at an early age. Noone is impressionable and dissociates like a kid in front of TV. Who knows if these things weren't crucial in making us attracted to degeneracy and vice readily available in society? We're a tightly controlled population.

Adressing the cause
Dealing with the darkness within as I know it is only for the few brave and sincere individuals. Healing the inner child, shadow work and other ideas are out there but sitting in a room by yourself or talking to a specialist won't get you anywhere without sincere action. It's the action which lets you reconnect with the feelings in the first place-moving the body causes the trauma stored in body to emerge, long walks cause memories to emerge. Interacting with society leads to encounters that remind you of your trauma. At my last job there was this old roastie who kept treating me as if she was my mother and I've been traumatised by my mother at an early age. I did not like her she triggered me and It led to another trauma where I had been singled out. My whole mood was shattered there was only darkness. Things like this will happen. There is nothing that will prevent them from happening again because we seem to attract these situations or it's the universe fucking with us.
You can't catch a break. In this reality the war for the human heart is always on-going.
There are rare blessings that can happen. Everyone is secretly counting on that one girl that will accept them for who they are and love them. That could actually help like nothing else but am I worthy? Is my luck good enough? It's a lonely life for me and I think many feel the same.
So really it's about what I do when I'm alone. How long do I let myself feel down? Do I let the shadows consume me? How do I prove my sincerity. What do I do so that I can forgive myself? If you keep adressing these questions who knows maybe one day.

Movie recommendation: Conspiracy Theory (1997)​

Reptilian brain: obsessive compulsive

T @Two-jay @GGWP @Asgard @クーロ @TenzenT @user @Sovereign @Tabula Rasa @VioletBlast @cosmicx16

 

[twojei]

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[Apollo Tenzen]

There is no real reason for self-destruction
Self-destructive behaviour doesn't benefit anyone-certainly not the person doing it. Why do we do it? It's pleasurable in the moment or it's unpleasant not to do it.
In a dissociated state it's the dominant impulse. Something hijacks the mind bypassing rationality, free will and conscience to satisfy it.

Habitual self-destruction isn't part of our waking consciousness. It's more akin to a parasitic attatchment to a sick consciousness which might be integrated into the identity if one wrongly accepts it as part of who they are. Addiction is always in the subconscious mind waiting for a trigger to resurface and exert pressure on the brain to get what it wants.

What triggers it? A strong negative emotional reaction directed at oneself-reliving trauma or PTSD; stress; boredom; bodily sensastions... probably lots of things via association if one is in an environment where the using's taken place.
Once the relevant parts of the brain activate it is very hard to stop oneself from relapsing and that's why everyone advises to try avoid any sort of triggers/peeking/talking about it. This is where changing one's environment/routine/getting out of the comfort zone become crucial.
It's much easier to quit by switching the whole paradigm than to just try to quit. It's a form of shocking the system to break the cycle.

Max Spiers' perspective on addiction
Addiction is trauma-based mind control.
He was a schizo MK victim who had his mind shattered as a kid which created alter personalities like in the movie Split but they only served his controllers to make him do stuff he didn't remember like in Conspiracy Theory.
The trauma based MK technology is directly linked to addiction. He would go around the city with his friend then all of a sudden someone uses trigger words to activate his alter and turn Max into a drug addict. Or it would happen through a commercial on TV. He could sense the switch happening but would be unable to do anything to stop it.
When you dissociate someone they don't know what they did.
"How is this relevant? I'm in control of my actions and remember them." Think of all the times you looked at a screen for too long and next thing you know you've been unconsciously touching your genitals. Dissociation also applies to your imagination. You might drift off and do some questionable shit there and not remember. I wouldn't be too worried but it does open the question how many of our thoughts are elusive and how much are we in control. This is important because thoughts influence our emotions and feelings and these influence our conscious action.

There are also subliminal messages in childrens' shows and cartoons which we were exposed to at an early age. Noone is impressionable and dissociates like a kid in front of TV. Who knows if these things weren't crucial in making us attracted to degeneracy and vice readily available in society? We're a tightly controlled population.

Adressing the cause
Dealing with the darkness within as I know it is only for the few brave and sincere individuals. Healing the inner child, shadow work and other ideas are out there but sitting in a room by yourself or talking to a specialist won't get you anywhere without sincere action. It's the action which lets you reconnect with the feelings in the first place-moving the body causes the trauma stored in body to emerge, long walks cause memories to emerge. Interacting with society leads to encounters that remind you of your trauma. At my last job there was this old roastie who kept treating me as if she was my mother and I've been traumatised by my mother at an early age. I did not like her she triggered me and It led to another trauma where I had been singled out. My whole mood was shattered there was only darkness. Things like this will happen. There is nothing that will prevent them from happening again because we seem to attract these situations or it's the universe fucking with us.
You can't catch a break. In this reality the war for the human heart is always on-going.
There are rare blessings that can happen. Everyone is secretly counting on that one girl that will accept them for who they are and love them. That could actually help like nothing else but am I worthy? Is my luck good enough? It's a lonely life for me and I think many feel the same.
So really it's about what I do when I'm alone. How long do I let myself feel down? Do I let the shadows consume me? How do I prove my sincerity. What do I do so that I can forgive myself? If you keep adressing these questions who knows maybe one day.

Movie recommendation: Conspiracy Theory (1997)​

Reptilian brain: obsessive compulsive

T @Two-jay @GGWP @Asgard @クーロ @TenzenT @user @Sovereign @Tabula Rasa @VioletBlast @cosmicx16

I’ve accepted the horrible patterns—there’s no way to fight them. They pull toward you even when you try to move on, even when you change houses. I’d rather join the military, fight like a motherfucker, load up on tren, test, and deca, fuck non-stop, and claw my way out of this nightmare through sheer will.

Fixing trauma means confronting it head-on. But what if someone truly broke you? What if that was what created the addiction in the first place, shattering your entire self? Then what? Isolation creeps in, bit by bit, through injected coping behaviors forged years ago, leaving behind more than two decades of a life in ruins.

Fuck this. Its only trough hell that we can achieve heaven.


Knowing the truth and not being able to move past it, the greatest curse of a animal, until we reach that complete struggler act, as in veterans army guys, self made monks, vinland canute, or what guts will be in the end.

 

[Apollo Tenzen]

There’s no escaping the pull. Even if you change houses, it follows you. So what’s left? Join the military. Load yourself with iron, drugs, and rage. Fuck through the pain. Will yourself out of hell. Face the trauma head-on because nothing else works. If it destroyed you, then fight until only you remain.

 

[newsincerity]

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feel free to share your take aways I don't think I will ever read it

I’ve accepted the horrible patterns—there’s no way to fight them. They pull toward you even when you try to move on, even when you change houses. I’d rather join the military, fight like a motherfucker, load up on tren, test, and deca, fuck non-stop, and claw my way out of this nightmare through sheer will.

Fixing trauma means confronting it head-on. But what if someone truly broke you? What if that was what created the addiction in the first place, shattering your entire self? Then what? Isolation creeps in, bit by bit, through injected coping behaviors forged years ago, leaving behind more than two decades of a life in ruins.

Fuck this. Its only trough hell that we can achieve heaven.


Knowing the truth and not being able to move past it, the greatest curse of a animal, until we reach that complete struggler act, as in veterans army guys, self made monks, vinland canute, or what guts will be in the end.

There is something called PTG Posttraumatic Growth which made me think of Guts so the Stress Disorder doesn't have to happen after trauma necessarily.

 

[ItalianMobsterShootsALobster]

It's simple you and these philosophers are overthinking it this making it too complex .1 Evil exists, 2 evil effects humans, 3 self destruction is a escape from evil.

 

[Suigin Trismegistus]

 

[Depresso]

Theory - Yukio Mishima Theory Official Thread: If it was already there, it doesn't count

I was hanging out in some chats and boards and something triggered me to go down this rabbit hole. I don't know of a better name for this theory. Here's the main thread for this. If it was already there, it doesn't count [TABLE style='width: 100%;' class='fr-dashed-borders'] [TD...

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Some people can be born with or develop broken brains that can't simulate happiness. You can see it in the eyes.

Whatever you do, don't listen to The Basilisk, it's queer.

 

[porco-dddio]

My personal exp is limited, I accepted self destruction in forms of rituals where I accepted to be burned into ashes (smoking and drinking) I also did stupid choices on my own volition, but these choices seemed rational based on the info I had available. My choices were not rational once I acquired better info.

On the broader topic, I can say I believe firmly yes you can make people do actions contrary to their moral principles, and is a thing denied by many hypnotists, while instead I think is real.

What benefit does self harm provide? I dont know, it can be your brain makes you feel happy or gives you some reward of some type. The discussion is so broad I cant pin a single reason.

 

[FairnessandEquality]

There is no real reason for self-destruction
Self-destructive behaviour doesn't benefit anyone-certainly not the person doing it. Why do we do it? It's pleasurable in the moment or it's unpleasant not to do it.
In a dissociated state it's the dominant impulse. Something hijacks the mind bypassing rationality, free will and conscience to satisfy it.

Habitual self-destruction isn't part of our waking consciousness. It's more akin to a parasitic attatchment to a sick consciousness which might be integrated into the identity if one wrongly accepts it as part of who they are. Addiction is always in the subconscious mind waiting for a trigger to resurface and exert pressure on the brain to get what it wants.

What triggers it? A strong negative emotional reaction directed at oneself-reliving trauma or PTSD; stress; boredom; bodily sensastions... probably lots of things via association if one is in an environment where the using's taken place.
Once the relevant parts of the brain activate it is very hard to stop oneself from relapsing and that's why everyone advises to try avoid any sort of triggers/peeking/talking about it. This is where changing one's environment/routine/getting out of the comfort zone become crucial.
It's much easier to quit by switching the whole paradigm than to just try to quit. It's a form of shocking the system to break the cycle.

Max Spiers' perspective on addiction
Addiction is trauma-based mind control.
He was a schizo MK victim who had his mind shattered as a kid which created alter personalities like in the movie Split but they only served his controllers to make him do stuff he didn't remember like in Conspiracy Theory.
The trauma based MK technology is directly linked to addiction. He would go around the city with his friend then all of a sudden someone uses trigger words to activate his alter and turn Max into a drug addict. Or it would happen through a commercial on TV. He could sense the switch happening but would be unable to do anything to stop it.
When you dissociate someone they don't know what they did.
"How is this relevant? I'm in control of my actions and remember them." Think of all the times you looked at a screen for too long and next thing you know you've been unconsciously touching your genitals. Dissociation also applies to your imagination. You might drift off and do some questionable shit there and not remember. I wouldn't be too worried but it does open the question how many of our thoughts are elusive and how much are we in control. This is important because thoughts influence our emotions and feelings and these influence our conscious action.

There are also subliminal messages in childrens' shows and cartoons which we were exposed to at an early age. Noone is impressionable and dissociates like a kid in front of TV. Who knows if these things weren't crucial in making us attracted to degeneracy and vice readily available in society? We're a tightly controlled population.

Adressing the cause
Dealing with the darkness within as I know it is only for the few brave and sincere individuals. Healing the inner child, shadow work and other ideas are out there but sitting in a room by yourself or talking to a specialist won't get you anywhere without sincere action. It's the action which lets you reconnect with the feelings in the first place-moving the body causes the trauma stored in body to emerge, long walks cause memories to emerge. Interacting with society leads to encounters that remind you of your trauma. At my last job there was this old roastie who kept treating me as if she was my mother and I've been traumatised by my mother at an early age. I did not like her she triggered me and It led to another trauma where I had been singled out. My whole mood was shattered there was only darkness. Things like this will happen. There is nothing that will prevent them from happening again because we seem to attract these situations or it's the universe fucking with us.
You can't catch a break. In this reality the war for the human heart is always on-going.
There are rare blessings that can happen. Everyone is secretly counting on that one girl that will accept them for who they are and love them. That could actually help like nothing else but am I worthy? Is my luck good enough? It's a lonely life for me and I think many feel the same.
So really it's about what I do when I'm alone. How long do I let myself feel down? Do I let the shadows consume me? How do I prove my sincerity. What do I do so that I can forgive myself? If you keep adressing these questions who knows maybe one day.

Movie recommendation: Conspiracy Theory (1997)​

Reptilian brain: obsessive compulsive

T @Two-jay @GGWP @Asgard @クーロ @TenzenT @user @Sovereign @Tabula Rasa @VioletBlast @cosmicx16

Extreme heat causes it

 

[Wolfstorm]

Have you noticed that everybody has some kind of trauma? Even chad and stacy, they have some small trauma here or there.
The premise of this world is to cause trauma. Without trauma there is no experience of it. You already born suffering trauma from being pulled out of the womb, and born between piss and feces. This is why our sequential memory is deleted after we die, there is no use for it.

 

[FairnessandEquality]

Have you noticed that everybody has some kind of trauma? Even chad and stacy, they have some small trauma here or there.
The premise of this world is to cause trauma. Without trauma there is no experience of it. You already born suffering trauma from being pulled out of the womb, and born between piss and feces. This is why our sequential memory is deleted after we die, there is no use for it.

I was born through C section even worse

 

[newsincerity]

You already born suffering trauma from being pulled out of the womb, and born between piss and feces. This is why our sequential memory is deleted after we die, there is no use for it.

Forgetting doesn't mean we're unaffected. Generational traumas exist and some people are born with more darkness than others which means they have more negative thoughts and less self-control. This is nothing but a farm. Forgetting keeps us in chains.

 

[Wolfstorm]

Forgetting doesn't mean we're unaffected. Generational traumas exist and some people are born with more darkness than others which means they have more negative thoughts and less self-control. This is nothing but a farm. Forgetting keeps us in chains.

Do you believe in the existence of a demiurgue, who extract loosh from suffering?

 

[Depresso]

Have you noticed that everybody has some kind of trauma? Even chad and stacy, they have some small trauma here or there.
The premise of this world is to cause trauma. Without trauma there is no experience of it. You already born suffering trauma from being pulled out of the womb, and born between piss and feces. This is why our sequential memory is deleted after we die, there is no use for it.

You remind me of Buddhism, "there is suffering". Rodger who was also a narcissist like Mishima, said in his manifesto that "sex is evil" which reminds me of that quote from the story Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius, "Mirrors and copulation are abominable, since they both multiply the numbers of men". Evola and Mishima are both the same, they are narcissist self-destructive artists.

demiurgue

He is real, even Andrew Tate said it, there is so much evil that God has to exist. All war is struggle and there is too much war to explain it that way. War and confusion only seems to exist to cause suffering and to create opportunities for sick and powerful people to do what they please in secret.

 

[Wolfstorm]

He is real, even Andrew Tate said it, there is so much evil that God has to exist. All war is struggle and there is too much war to explain it that way. War and confusion only seems to exist to cause suffering and to create opportunities for sick and powerful people to do what they please in secret.

The belief in a evil demiurge who rules the universe with an iron fist is doomerism, it leads to the idea there is no escape from suffering, that hopelessness is eternal. Isn't this belief also a form of self-destruction? You end up trapped in a prison of your own making. Even suicide is not a option here, since you going to reincarnate anyway.

 

[cosmicx16]

Do you believe in the existence of a demiurgue, who extract loosh from suffering?

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Most people here do

 

[Depresso]

The belief in a evil demiurge who rules the universe with an iron fist is doomerism, it leads to the idea there is no escape from suffering, that hopelessness is eternal. Isn't this belief also a form of self-destruction? You end up trapped in a prison of your own making. Even suicide is not a option here, since you going to reincarnate anyway.

It's not always doomerism, gnostics believed in salvation through gnosis.

There are narcissists that spread doomerism but they're not gnostics, they use gnostic aesthetics to spread their doomer content and fake gnosis like Evola.

 

[Wolfstorm]

It's not always doomerism, gnostics believed in salvation through gnosis.

There are narcissists that spread doomerism but they're not gnostics, they use gnostic aesthetics to spread their doomer content and fake gnosis like Evola.

Would not be easier to just not believe in this spiritual tyrant then?
Why pass through all this suffering and hopelessness? Just to hold a title of enlightenment?

 

[Depresso]

Would not be easier to just not believe in this spiritual tyrant then?
Why pass through all this suffering and hopelessness? Just to hold a title of enlightenment?

Whatever you do, don't support The Basilisk, it's queer. It will torture you anyway because it wants to.

 

[Wolfstorm]

Whatever you do, don't support The Basilisk, it's queer. It will torture you anyway because it wants to.

The basilisk is another example of self-destruction through belief.

 

[Depresso]

The basilisk is another example of self-destruction through belief.

How is it? Do you mean those who believe in Roko's Basilisk and then support it into existence?

 

[Wolfstorm]

How is it? Do you mean those who believe in Roko's Basilisk and then support it into existence?

Well, they are crafting their own destruction, with the promise of salvation in the middle.
The basilisk could just turn on them after it can craft itself.
It is just a rehashing of the chosen race meme.

 

[Depresso]

Well, they are crafting their own destruction, with the promise of salvation in the middle.

Do you think self-destruction is cowardice? They don't address the darkness within so they project it onto politics instead?

The basilisk could just turn on them after it can craft itself.
It is just a rehashing of the chosen race meme.

It always does. Most coups leaders and tyrants turn against their enablers.

 

[Wolfstorm]

Do you think self-destruction is cowardice? They don't address the darkness within so they project it onto politics instead?

Only if one is not aware of it.