Activity Is it a sign we should read Evola?

[MAGONIA]

Julius Evola's third book, Revolt Against The Modern World, published in 1934. This tome, steeped in traditionalist philosophy, critiques modern civilization and yearns for a return to ancient, aristocratic values.​

 

[Memento Mori]

@Zygo=cheekbone

 

[rentré]

Julius Evola's third book, Revolt Against The Modern World, published in 1934. This tome, steeped in traditionalist philosophy, critiques modern civilization and yearns for a return to ancient, aristocratic values.

I never read Evola per se, but I got a strong impression that it's mystical literature in the context of fascist Italy. The people who mention him skimmed through the books for 2 weeks and then LARP as in-the-know.

Anything mystical and esoterical that's discussed on the Internet is utterly clownish; I had my share of that and I'd rather not.

If you want something Axis-style, Oswald Spengler is a mogger and he's interesting to read. That's the type of man that can take on on the world. Evolians would badly fail to develop weapons and lose to Ethiopia (true story).

 

[GGWP]

I never read Evola per se, but I got a strong impression that it's mystical literature in the context of fascist Italy. The people who mention him skimmed through the books for 2 weeks and then LARP as in-the-know.

Anything mystical and esoterical that's discussed on the Internet is utterly clownish; I had my share of that and I'd rather not.

If you want something Axis-style, Oswald Spengler is a mogger and he's interesting to read. That's the type of man that can take on on the world. Evolians would badly fail to develop weapons and lose to Ethiopia (true story).

I read Decline of the West, it's a good book, I learnt a lot about ancient architecture and Spengler has a certain style like an ebullient preacher, like an old dude really enthusiastic to tell about his cool history fact collection.

Haven't read Evola because I thought he is just like chud favorite author. When it comes to perennial philosophy I just thought Guenon had more credence because he actually engaged in Sufi mysticism.

 

[rentré]

I read Decline of the West, it's a good book, I learnt a lot about ancient architecture and Spengler has a certain style like an ebullient preacher, like an old dude really enthusiastic to tell about his cool history fact collection.

"Hour of Decision" is his political manifesto, "Man and Technology" muses about tech. Haven't read him in a while frankly.

"Decline of the West" is a 2 volume book, with the second volume often out of print (mysteriously). And I do have all that as physical books, I'm not a fraud.

 

[Memento Mori]

"Man and Technology" muses about tech. Haven't read him in a while frankly.

"Decline of the West" is a 2 volume book, with the second volume often out of print (mysteriously). And I do have all that as physical books, I'm not a fraud.

I got copies from Arktos.

 

[rentré]

I got copies from Arktos.

I own Russian translations.

They were made by some weirdo Armenian that takes Rudolf Steiner too seriously, for a philosophy PhD anyway.

 

[MAGONIA]

Meanwhile in the 1940s

California In The 1940s

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[Apollo Tenzen]

Nice thread, gonna read it this month

 

[MAGONIA]

Nice thread, gonna read it this month

I had no idea we had such a scholarly userbase

 

[CompedSushi]

thiz forum lovez evola it zeemz

 

[Depresso]

thiz forum lovez evola it zeemz

I don't think it's a forum thing.

Politics and social media is getting retarded with all the unhappy and lonely communists, ancaps, femcels and incels that hate each other. I get that it's shit, but how is that improved? Going online and joining in the dumpster fire? They don't even care to eat clean or lift a single dumbbell. They're all socially and economically incompatible idpols.

Discussion - Happiness shouldn't be too difficult to achieve for most people.

The recorded human history is roughly about 12,000 years, but modern humans have existed for at least 300,000 years. Life was brutally poor for most of that time, still is for some people, but... We're here so, it must have all been worth it for some reason. What did they do in their free time?

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TLDR of the thread:

Happiness is the ability to enjoy in peace without anxiety. It has nothing to do with politics or identity. You can get plenty of joy with a dog and a tennis ball but not if you're ill or preoccupied with drama.

Anyone who tries to disturb the above for you is evil in some way or is possessed by it.

Theory - Does humanity subconsciously hate itself?...

...that or it's cheaper to profit of hate, ragebait and negative emotions than it is to fix problems and create real value, which really is the same thing. Some examples: The social economy is slowly turning from interdependence into market segments of bitter enemies naming and shaming each...

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[Schwarzwald]

He basically predicted a type that’s now completely familiar.

The disaffected young man with no inner center, no tradition, no real self, who turns to destruction not out of ideology but out of a desperate need to feel something, to belong to something, to matter. The bombing and killing become almost secondary; the real drive is filling the void with intensity. It’s anarchy in the spiritual sense before it’s ever political.

Most of the noise around Evola comes from people who read the wiki summary (that intern was written buy some fat leftist in the first place) and decided that was enough.

The rest comes from people who actually fit his diagnosis but can't stomach the mirror.

Either way, it's easier to call him a fascist cartoon than to sit with what he's actually describing, because what he's describing is the exact void that gets filled by subcultures, ideologies, and eventually violence.

You don't have to like him.

But if you're going to dismiss him, dismiss the actual argument, not the caricature.

"The cynicism that regards hero worship as comical is always shadowed by a sense of physical inferiority. Invariably, it is the man who believes himself to be physically lacking in heroic attributes who speaks mockingly of the hero."

Yukio Mishima, Sun & Steel

A fun fictional book that has an eerie similarities to modernity and the happenings in Europe is the camp of the saints. It's a fun little fiction companion book.

Tldr: Dismissing him because his name got attached to some online aesthetic is like dismissing nietzsche because some 15yr old mall goth misquote him in their facebook profile.

 

[Depresso]

The rejection of 'modernity' is indirectly an answer to the living free willed side of the vertiginous question because there's never a modernity like the "here" and the "now". For each soul, their subjective modernity is their "today". It's rejection, especially by suicide, is such a blasphemy that when it's coupled with the loss of free will by death is unlikely to lead to anything but a neverending torment. No amount of literary squirming, and I admit it's Nobel tier, will ever save the soul from the "fire", and that's about the only way you could describe the torment to a mediaeval normie. It's all presentation, which is what Mishima was. He was an extreme aesthete and an empty shell. What men and what reward? Is his manifesto better because he has a better pen?

One could cry about how it's over for Beowulf but it's time to move on to Shakespeare, each fall is an opportunity for the next and there's no better flattery than imitation. The only answer is to authentically find oneself and do what's best for the future, so the the future "now" is better instead of rejecting it. Find others and make new music with them. You deal with the problems, and you survive or you don't. If you hit the end, then it better be the end, but how sure are you of any of that?

- "Every hierarchy is flattened" - So what?
- "But it's all so materialistic and no spirit" - So what?

Find your place in the new world, make yourself.

Never ending static "fire", Gehenna. You could spin or you could stay, no difference.

Salvation cults try to make this outcome impossible by getting people to accept "safety tickets" to an eternal life which they fill up with their happy wishes. They live their lives happily and actually achieve moments of continuous happiness in their mortal lives that they can recall. It's not about what's on the ticket unless it's absolute BS IRL, it's the body of the ticket itself. It's about being the gardener of one's happiness, amor fati.

I'm sorry to Mishima for his existence, he lost his control by dying like that.

Fear is a joke that's suppressed.

 

[Schwarzwald]

It lives.

Aestheticized nihilism adjacent rhetoric.

 

[Depresso]

@CompedSushi I didn't address Evola directly in my response to you.

My personal problem with Evola and the associated writers is that it seems to lead young people directly into manifesto writing and mass shootings instead of aspiring towards a career, a relationship and owning property. The worldviews that he contributes to, like militant accelerationism, are far worse and more psychotic than what the average normie believes in. I don't deny that some people might cherry pick something valuable to them out of his works, but the pattern is that I always see him quoted by bad characters and never the good ones.

The Mishima incident (that keeps getting mentioned) and the other suicides that Mishima directly influenced and caused are hard examples that what's being aethetised and promoted is NSFL. I believe that the vast majority of political suicides and suicide attacks are purely narcissistic and that Mishima was self-aware of his narcissism (Kyoko no le*, 1959).

I posted something about Mishima in the 'Do we even need the elites?' thread. There are links to other related threads and posts there.

Serious - Do we even need the Elites?

First: What do you think the elites are? Do you see them on TV or are they invisible and secret? Who do you think they are? Second: Do you think we need the Elites? Will we always need them? Is it part of being human to need elites?

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*You're never going to find an English translation of this book, ever.
(Not an official translation at least)

 

[Schwarzwald]

thiz forum lovez evola it zeemz

Falsifiable claim detected:

Evola adjacent thought correlates with manifesto writing and mass violence.

That fact that Evola accurately diagnosed a type of disaffected young man, not that reading him causes violence.

Those are different claims.

Grifters be damned, watch out for people trying to give you a 2nd hand explanation on a topic they didn't even read and uses "feelings and vibes" to describe.

 

[porco-dddio]

Giulio Ebola is a classic in right wing agitation. Hes also known as "the pseud of the right", its taught in some university courses here where I live. I think its shameful to teach such an author, its not aristotle or plato and he has no real cultural significance, its even less important than marx is.

Anyway, Im sick of repeating myself I will open some blog and write all my debunks of these right wing authors. So I copy and paste them until some NPC right winger finally tries to engage in a dialog instead of schizoing out and offering me karen bitch tears.

these people behave like butthurt teenagers who beliebe in some music band. No wonder they are so easily manipulated.

To prevent over identification with giulio ebola or similar low tier pseuds I think is necessary to reimagine education. Introduce a ton of humanities and philosophy, so young adults will not be introduced by giulio ebola.

Most people who fall for giulio ebola come from tech and science background, and they fail to see giulio is an intro-level thinker, and they have just read intro-level BS. If they had even a rudimentary introduction they wouldnt fall for it.

 

[Wolfstorm]

I'm sorry to Mishima for his existence, he lost his control by dying like that.

I think you didn't get what Mishima was into. He didn't see himself as his physical body (which is correct, we aren't just our physical bodies) and treated his own death as a work of art. He didn't want to age and choose to die in the vigor of youth, so as to create an artistic image of it. Like you said, he was an extreme aesthete, to the point his life had less value than the aesthetics of his dead body. Japanese society does not treat suicide as act of cowardice, quite the opposite. For the japanese, death by seppuku is treated as warrior aesthetics, and Mishima was into it, he wanted to rescue the solar ethos of the warrior from the clutches of the modern age. So there was no tragedy there, he wasn't an incel, he was married and a bissexual. It is bizarre to see him being associated with inceldom, the jew distorted culture so much people now write long essays about sadness and poverty where before there was just a guy obsessed with art and who felt aesthetic pleasure in his own death.


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[Wolfstorm]

The same I said about Mishima also applies to Evola. Evola wasn't married, but had regular tantric sex with a mistress. He wrote a book about tantra and one about sexuality. He was also part of the UR group, a society of intellectuals from which Arturo Reghini was also part of. At that time, uranism was associated with homosexuality, so Evola could possibly have been bissexual as well, like Mishima was. In fact, solar aesthetics implies in a worship of the male form, which eventually leads to gym culture and homosexuality.
Evola made a distinction between the dry path and the wet path, the first being of the solar warrior, and the second of the lunar, hedonistic worshipper of the female form (which, in this context, is not to be confused with simp culture). I always had this contrast between Evola and Nietzsche, as solar (dry/apolinian) and lunar (wet/dionisian) oppositions inside the same worldview. It is funny to see them wrapped together and associated with inceldom, it just reinforces the conclusion that inceldom has nothing to do with celibacy, but just with being a caucasian male, in an era dominated by feminism, pornography and dating culture.

 

[Tocharian Gangster]

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[Depresso]

I've got PDF copies of Evola's works and I'm reading them right now. I thought I already said that in another thread.

I think you didn't get what Mishima was into. He didn't see himself as his physical body (which is correct, we aren't just our physical bodies) and treated his own death as a work of art. He didn't want to age and choose to die in the vigor of youth, so as to create an artistic image of it. Like you said, he was an extreme aesthete, to the point his life had less value than the aesthetics of his dead body.

Thank you. This is the one thing that caused the entire Mishima debate.

I believe that the vast majority of all political suicides and suicide attacks are already suicidal people placing their suicidality into their politics. Two of Evola's influencers committed suicide, Otto Weininger and Carlo Michelstaedter, so there was something suicidal going on from the start. I don't know what's attracting the crazies and the trans to his works so I've decided to read them to see for myself.

The author of this book waldganged out of the city, he's an Evola guy too and very similar to Mishima.​

At that time, uranism was associated with homosexuality, so Evola could possibly have been bissexual as well, like Mishima was. In fact, solar aesthetics implies in a worship of the male form, which eventually leads to gym culture and homosexuality.

I've heard that most of Evola's works on sex came from Otto Weininger's works. I haven't got to that part yet but I'm not sure if I will. I should do a PhD if I'm going to study him that far and get something out of it. I don't mind reading about it.

 

[Depresso]

Anyway, Im sick of repeating myself I will open some blog and write all my debunks of these right wing authors.

Maybe you should.

 

[Wolfstorm]

I've got PDF copies of Evola's works and I'm reading them right now. I thought I already said that in another thread.


Thank you. This is the one thing that caused the entire Mishima debate.

I believe that the vast majority of all political suicides and suicide attacks are already suicidal people placing their suicidality into their politics. Two of Evola's influencers committed suicide, Otto Weininger and Carlo Michelstaedter, so there was something suicidal going on from the start. I don't know what's attracting the crazies and the trans to his works so I've decided to read them to see for myself.

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The author of this book waldganged out of the city, he's an Evola guy too and very similar to Mishima.​

I've heard that most of Evola's works on sex came from Otto Weininger's works. I haven't got to that part yet but I'm not sure if I will. I should do a PhD if I'm going to study him that far and get something out of it. I don't mind reading about it.

It is a male thing. Remember that thread about self-destruction? So it runs on most men...
The left side of the Tree of Wyrd is male, and negative, while the right side is female, and positive. Might have something to do with it.

Otto Weininger's "Sex and Character" is a must read. He was the first who exposed the idea of the sexual spectrum for me. Faggots and office women lies in the middle of this spectrum, and they are born that way, which means the dna influences it. And culture influences the dna:

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[Depresso]

It is a male thing. Remember that thread about self-destruction? So it runs on most men...
The left side of the Tree of Wyrd is male, and negative, while the right side is female, and positive. Might have something to do with it.

Otto Weininger's "Sex and Character" is a must read. He was the first who exposed the idea of the sexual spectrum for me. Faggots and office women lies in the middle of this spectrum, and they are born that way, which means the dna influences it. And culture influences the dna:

Erasing the jewish myth

It is due time to erase the jewish myth. This internet idea that the jews are the masters of reality came from 4chan, using nazism as clutches to support it. Not even Hitler believed it. Jews only got powerful because they were given to keys to the finances of the european aristocracy. And...

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Romanticism was a mistake. It should never have happened. But then, it was a byproduct of the Revolution...
And since I'm quoting my thread AGAIN, dont forget to BUY SUPER MALE VITALITY, 50% OFF and to join my Patreon.
Click the join button and step to the architect level.

You mean this thread?

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I think it's a little bit more than that. One guy wants godhood, the other just wants whores and cocaine, they're both male.

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