Serious Does the supernatural exist ?

[Raul and the Kings Of Lame]

Or is everything physical matter ?

 

[COLE]

yes it exists

 

[Schwarzwald]

Or is everything physical matter ?

Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." (From his 1962 book Profiles of the Future.)

A Roman seeing a smartphone would think it's straight-up sorcery: a glowing rectangle that summons voices from nowhere, shows moving pictures of distant places, accesses infinite knowledge, or even predicts weather/fortunes. To them, it'd be divine intervention or demonic—miracles or witchcraft—because their understanding of physics, electricity, radio waves, semiconductors, etc., didn't exist. Same with electricity itself (which we take for granted now) or antibiotics curing what they'd call a curse/possession.

 

[qqq]

I’ve only had precognition so far. But really powerful ones and unexplainable

 

[Schwarzwald]

I’ve only had precognition so far. But really powerful ones and unexplainable

Like Stargate?

 

[Vaincu]

I never seen no ghost

 

[Schwarzwald]

I never seen no ghost

Ghost are burn-ins to the holographic reality we live in.

 

[Chisai]

has anyone in here ever been able to Astral travel? the only thing I ever managed was to barely lucid dream but it is insanely hard and as you guys know I live in a hard environment to achieve it I would appreciate any tip for lucid dreaming too but I'm afraid they will be the same old ones

 

[Waco]

Supernatural is just scientific stuff we haven't discovered yet.

 

[Chisai]

I want fairies to exist so badly why modern paranormal stuff is all creepy or scary stuff and no longer cute or fantasylike just like the faggots who have hijacked the idea of angels with muh realistic creepy crap fuck I hate it so much is like someone infiltrated humanity and took all the fucking magic of things

 

[Jack the Ripper]

From the perspective of the Truth, word "supernatural" = redundant human label. Everything: what you call "physical matter," is infinitesimal projection to the fundamental fabric of reality - the "Mind of God," miracle is all natural to the Author and not any violation of nature.

 

[newsincerity]

Ghost are burn-ins to the holographic reality we live in.

what does it mean? ;p

 

[newsincerity]

has anyone in here ever been able to Astral travel? the only thing I ever managed was to barely lucid dream but it is insanely hard and as you guys know I live in a hard environment to achieve it I would appreciate any tip for lucid dreaming too but I'm afraid they will be the same old ones

@Loner
if you mean astral projection I can't do it but I think astral travel is sometimes involuntary when you dream

 

[newsincerity]

Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." (From his 1962 book Profiles of the Future.)

A Roman seeing a smartphone would think it's straight-up sorcery: a glowing rectangle that summons voices from nowhere, shows moving pictures of distant places, accesses infinite knowledge, or even predicts weather/fortunes. To them, it'd be divine intervention or demonic—miracles or witchcraft—because their understanding of physics, electricity, radio waves, semiconductors, etc., didn't exist. Same with electricity itself (which we take for granted now) or antibiotics curing what they'd call a curse/possession.

bro I hate that, no
smartphones wouldn't be divine to them cause they weren't stupid but it would be novel

 

[Schwarzwald]

bro I hate that, no
smartphones wouldn't be divine to them cause they weren't stupid but it would be novel

We are both holding options that's really all that is.

 

[newsincerity]

We are both holding options that's really all that is.

nah you're falling for the modern atheistic-scientific narrative
don't think the gods weren't real and myths weren't founded in truth because of le modern explanation of evolutionary reasons why we created gods in our heads and projected fantasies onto real natural phenomena etc.

 

[Schwarzwald]

nah you're falling for the modern atheistic-scientific narrative
don't think the gods weren't real and myths weren't founded in truth because of le modern explanation of evolutionary reasons why we created gods in our heads and projected fantasies onto real natural phenomena etc.

No we are just holding two different options and you don't like mine. Idk what it is with this place that people can't just state an option say I reject it and move on, instead it's a diatribe about how one person is so wrong and the other is so right. Respectfully I'm not going down this path and look your option is still yours and mine is mine and no one lost anything.

I mean we can argue about it if you really want...

 

[newsincerity]

No we are just holding two different options and you don't like mine. Idk what it is with this place that people can't just state an option say I reject it and move on, instead it's a diatribe about how one person is so wrong and the other is so right. Respectfully I'm not going down this path and look your option is still yours and mine is mine and no one lost anything.

I mean we can argue about it if you really want...

what about elites who believe in occult and believe it grants them power
they use rituals and technology both

also where does your conscience come from?

 

[Schwarzwald]

what about elites who believe in occult and believe it grants them power
they use rituals and technology both

also where does your conscience come from?

It feels like we are talking past each other. I think you’re misreading my intent. I’m not pushing an atheistic narrative to shut down yours. My point about the romans is that the supernatural is real to the observer until they understand the underlying system.

We actually agree more than you think, whether it's John Dee or modern elites using tech and ritual, we’re talking about people tapping into systems that the average person doesn't understand. I'm not discarding the occult I'm saying it's part of a larger reality we’re still trying to get a full grip for. We’re just looking at the same mountain from two different sides.

P.S. I think supernatural and magic are often just placeholders we use until we find a better description for the mechanics of the universe. It doesn't make the experience any less real, it just means our vocabulary is still catching up to the phenomenon.

 

[newsincerity]

It feels like we are talking past each other. I think you’re misreading my intent. I’m not pushing an atheistic narrative to shut down yours. My point about the romans is that the supernatural is real to the observer until they understand the underlying system.

We actually agree more than you think, whether it's John Dee or modern elites using tech and ritual, we’re talking about people tapping into systems that the average person doesn't understand. I'm not discarding the occult I'm saying it's part of a larger reality we’re still trying to get a full grip for. We’re just looking at the same mountain from two different sides.

P.S. I think supernatural and magic are often just placeholders we use until we find a better description for the mechanics of the universe. It doesn't make the experience any less real, it just means our vocabulary is still catching up to the phenomenon.

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bro are you AI this is chat GPT agreeing with me response

 

[Schwarzwald]

bro are you AI this is chat GPT agreeing with me response

Buddy I’m not agreeing with your take on the Romans. I’m saying that magic is just a word humans use for stuff they haven't written the manual for yet. The Romans would have thought a phone was magic, facts.

The idea that there was some unified education in 100 AD where a random guy was a rational materialist who would just see a smartphone as a 'novelty' is historically illiterate and comical. If I showed a Roman a video chat of someone across the world and a digital map of his own city, his brain would melt. You thinking otherwise is ridiculous.

This is the 3rd time I've said I don't want to argue, but you seem to need a villain. You even moved the goalpost to the 'elites' and modern day just to keep it going. It’s literally the bell curve meme, You’re on the left with the villagers shouting 'magic is real mate!' and I'm on the right saying 'there are systems of reality that can be bent, and we just call the unmapped ones magic.'

 

[Schwarzwald]

also where does your conscience come from?

Are you implying a conscience is supernatural? Like morals or are you saying consciousness is supernatural? In any case you really seem to want to argue about your world view that I think we share but from different ends of the same horse shoe. Idk but I didn't come here to argue.

 

[Sovereign]

Or is everything physical matter ?

Yes, and if you haven't even seen something that is of that presence, then you're either lazy or fearful of ever encountering the fact that most of life is already connected with it and is present with you on a daily.

 

[Schwarzwald]

Yes, and if you haven't even seen something that is of that presence, then you're either lazy or fearful of ever encountering the fact that most of life is already connected with it and is present with you on a daily.

what about elites who believe in occult and believe it grants them power
they use rituals and technology both

also where does your conscience come from?

I always think about this often when this subject comes up...