Is determinism real?

[wsada]

this making me doubt religion,life,everything

what are your thoughts?

 

[newsincerity]

All living beings live according to their nature so yes

 

[Ain]

The truth is in the middle. Humans have free will, but very use it. We as humans are under influence of many things, and usually we associate ourselves with those influences, it is one of the goals in life to become free from them.

 

[Deleted member 432]

Humans have free will

Nah

The truth is in the middle.

Compatibilism is oxymoronical

 

[Ain]

Nah

Compatibilism is oxymoronical

It is quite silly to believe in determenism, knowing that cosmos is not determenistic. The path of a particel unobserved can not be predicted.

 

[newsincerity]

It is quite silly to believe in determenism, knowing that cosmos is not determenistic. The path of a particel unobserved can not be predicted.

interested in hearing more

 

[Deleted member 432]

interested in hearing more

he just said 'muh kvantum theerie'

 

[Lux]

Yeah everything can be reduced to mechanics even if they are infinitely complicated so in that sense nothing can happen any other way than it does. If you believe in Einstein's general relativity then time is also a dimension so there is determinism baked into into that.

 

[Deleted member 432]

I stand corrected by the way. The Lord said we have free will, but the only choice we have is Satan's Dominion or God's Kingdom. Everything else, God is doing and running and deciding, in all else He takes over. This is the only thing we do.

 

[Lux]

I stand corrected by the way. The Lord said we have free will, but the only choice we have is Satan's Dominion or God's Kingdom. Everything else, God is doing and running and deciding, in all else He takes over. This is the only thing we do.

Free will doesn't run counter to determinism imo many christian faiths believe in determinism. If anything since God is all knowing he knew that his choice to give man free will would lead to their suffering. I believe man can have functional autonomy and freedom of choice but his fate is already sealed.

 

[GGWP]

If you were told that the universe and by extension your fate was predetermined and your choices were circumstantial, wouldn't it make you so sad?

It's better for individuals to believe that they have the capability to change things. This belief in itself is important for self-realization.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman]

Nope. Chance Exists. Easily proven -
For ex. the creation of Non-Deterministic Random Bit Generators (NRBGs) or True Random Number Generators (TRNGs) they produce random bits or numbers reliant on physical phenomena such a Quantum/Atmospheric/Electronic noise, Radioactive decay as its entropy source - these phenomena are fundamentally indeterministic by Nature. Legit "ontologivally" true lol

Muh "Chance dosent exist" Muh "Limited knowledge"
Yet humans somehow have a seemingly supernatural ability to harness something that 1; Dosent Exist & 2; have Limited Knowledge of

 

[Deleted member 432]

Nope. Chance Exists. Easily proven -
For ex. the creation of Non-Deterministic Random Bit Generators (NRBGs) or True Random Number Generators (TRNGs) they produce random bits or numbers reliant on physical phenomena such a Quantum/Atmospheric/Electronic noise, Radioactive decay as its entropy source - these phenomena are fundamentally indeterministic by Nature. Legit "ontologivally" true lol

Muh "Chance dosent exist" Muh "Limited knowledge"
Yet humans somehow have a seemingly supernatural ability to harness something that 1; Dosent Exist & 2; have Limited Knowledge of

The Lord already knows everything. While we have free will in choosing whether we want to be in Satan's Dominion or God's Kingdom, everything else is determined.

 

[PoopyPigeon]

this making me doubt religion,life,everything

what are your thoughts?

I do believe so.

Even decisions we make are influenced by external factors.

Everyone is "manipulated" by that logic.

 

[Enju]

If you were told that the universe and by extension your fate was predetermined and your choices were circumstantial, wouldn't it make you so sad?

It's better for individuals to believe that they have the capability to change things. This belief in itself is important for self-realization.

This is what i struggle to cope with sometimes, and only feel existential dread. Ok sure, it’s comforting knowing i didnt cause my suffering, and that everything i did was always going to happen. But what about the things I did accomplish? Or every little decision i make? My brain automatically makes me think I AM making the decision, when it’s already set in stone before I render the answer consciously.

 

[ManOfGod]

Nope, God blessed us with free will and free choice. Determinism happens when we surrender our free will to external forces.

 

[sadcel]

Nope, God blessed us with free will and free choice. Determinism happens when we surrender our free will to external forces.

Your free will is influenced by external factors JFL

 

[ManOfGod]

Your free will is influenced by external factors JFL

I'm a victim to no one.

 

[sadcel]

I'm a victim to no one.

A cope a day keeps the rope away.