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In the beginning it was gender neutral and just simply people unhappy about being lonely not having a romantic relationship with people and having sex.
Agree, there has definitely been a turning point where the newcomers to the spaces started acting like caricatures of what normies perceive incels as. Participating in hate without sharing the sensible cause, obnoxious even in text, like walking memes. The infiltration already commenced at that point, which I think was years before I joined anything. Maybe it was a planned coup, maybe just 12 year olds, but anyway it made the group too easy to demonize and rally against.
Yeah, it ended up setting back discourse for actually lonely and isolated individuals' issues—where previously people used to lend an ear to their problems but now they'd just be branded as a 'misogynistic incel' by the normie herd.
knew it was mostly fakecels when so called 'incels' ascended and instead of finding love and setting while being objectively attractive they instead contributed to the hypergamy by useless hookups and one night stands
If your suffering people will still try to find an answer, though as DBDR put it you don't hear much from guys like him; adding more to it you don't hear much from men who suffer because in the past they suffered in silence, the men who suffer today have the opportunity to share their experience to the extent that they have the means. If it was me for example and I never had access to the net the way I have today I likely would have never known about the blackpill nor would I likely ever would have came up with the concepts you read today.
Basically this in part, to add unto it would be yes they are a loose gathering of people and in reality that was emotionally charged by Eliot Roger, that being when the idea itself finally became definable we have what you see today. That being a group of men who share in a common suffering; I personally don't think it was ever meant to be a movement, but when ER did that shooting it gave a name, a face and an idea to something that would be associated with suffering on that level.
I was watching an old video when the term incel was being used, the men who were in the video were doing what is equivalent to looksmaxxing today, however their attitude was that if they at least tried they might get a girl, its upbringings were simple and obvious, as time passed however the terms and concepts became more centralized and the concepts of evolution and determinism came into being. I think this is a result of a cognitive road having been taken, but not consciously taken. Those men who just wanted to have a love life or at least have sex may have never likely gotten to the goal they wanted and in truth though they died obscure their names no longer available to us unless we do the research, I believe the result now will be disorganization as in forums will no longer be in use because the desire to socialize will become a burden. Meaning there will be no more trust and social relations will be kept quiet and the scouter cannot pick up your power level because you mastered the ability to suppress you inkwelldom KI.
Funny enough there was a scene from a gnostic documentary in which an emissary from the catholic church says to belacast "The church has outlived every enemy it ever had" words to that effect, now what matters is that yes you are correct that inkwelldom has been made the party clown of topics, but that's the dilution of information. When I was reading over old Japanese text they mention a time when the samurai were on guard but as time passed and a era of warfare turned to peace its mentioned how the samurai were getting lazy or not keeping to those ways and so the idea of ideas, caste or just concepts overall losing their value is common, it makes sense that when time passes people who don't pay attention to such topics do not care nor do they give attention to it.
Isn't it said that necessity is the mother of invention? You've a point, its invention came about when a man could finally vent his woe's online with those of shared experience, because it still follows the same principles.
It was, and as the problem grew in size and it was not only in one country a need for a system to explain this issue came into being.
Sure, you can chock it up to that portion of which it pertains to, and while it is true for that portion; a part of me thinks that it does come down to a low self image, because yes your mental view of your being counts; there are some stories of this to explain further. Now, with that in mind what ever shall we do?
Its been as you mentioned here "Participating in hate without sharing the sensible cause, obnoxious even in text, like walking memes.", I've seen it myself or as an anon user once claimed "they are still normies, but they are a little to evil to make themselves public", you know the people who start problems, drama and all sorts of retarded shenanigans. You're point is that normies engage in these behaviors like its a joke when in reality there is suffering and sincere anguish beyond these attacks and its fair to say at least, that we've had a right to be angry because how could you not or get angry when you are treated like garbage by your own kin and those who share your mother tongue?
When the incel community was on Reddit, discussions were constructive and at the very least aimed to support individuals in their struggles. There were a broad range of subreddits, although with diverse opinions shared a common cause of recognizing the issue, giving a voice to those affected and raising awareness. As you know, Reddit admins ended up purging the whole incel eco-system on their site many years back, (though they are not to blame entirely, different parties all shared in the fault of what eventually ended up going down). Incels.is was founded as a result of this.
In that regard, I can see what you mean. If all the inkwells had one neutral space to congregate in then it made sense that reddit was capable. The eco-system now is stagnant and riddled with mistrust and old hatred of mods, both just and unjustifiable. That's how it starts at first, a place to voice your opinion but if the mental shift is towards an unconscious spiral then this is the result, separate forums contending for a userbase and beating out a competition that shouldn't exist amongst us.
